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Re: Goliath (ACCURATE new idea)
« Reply #25 on: December 09, 2009, 08:41:45 PM »
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Re: Goliath (ACCURATE new idea)
« Reply #26 on: December 09, 2009, 08:58:07 PM »
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Nitpicks on the SA:
"the opponent" should just be "opponent".
"david" should be "David"
"Cannot be ignored" should be at the beginning. "Cannot be ignored or prevented" just sounds awkward.

Else, I think it's awesome. Biblically accurate, unique, not OP'd, but still very usable. Still unsure about the CBP, but it's better than CBN or CBI I suppose.
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Re: Goliath (ACCURATE new idea)
« Reply #27 on: December 09, 2009, 09:01:17 PM »
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I put CBP because he was such a strong guy, you couldnt really stop him until you were fighting him. Also, for gameplay reasons, it makes him awesome against FBTN.

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Re: Goliath (ACCURATE new idea)
« Reply #28 on: December 10, 2009, 12:40:17 AM »
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"Cannot be Ignored" needs "while in play."
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Re: Goliath (ACCURATE new idea)
« Reply #29 on: December 10, 2009, 12:45:26 AM »
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Temple of Dagon + Altar of Dagon + PO = no problem with Holy Grail, Women as Snares, Garden Tomb, Luke/John heroes, etc.

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Re: Goliath (ACCURATE new idea)
« Reply #30 on: December 10, 2009, 12:47:00 AM »
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"Cannot be Ignored" needs "while in play."


Oops, that is true.

Also, I saw Bryon had posted, hoping he'd say something about suggesting the card for the next set or something awesome like that, but my hopes were crushed when he didnt even say anything about my card. :'(

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Re: Goliath (ACCURATE new idea)
« Reply #31 on: December 10, 2009, 12:55:32 AM »
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i would totally vote this card into the next set, if cactus ever allowed such a thing. goliath needs a revamp, and his revamp needs to be BEAST. this totally does that.
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Re: Goliath (ACCURATE new idea)
« Reply #32 on: December 10, 2009, 08:23:15 AM »
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I agree that version of Goliath is pretty much 12FG, but without the steroids. My version isn't any better now that I think about it. Although this idea is accurate, it really doesn't help anything because people will likely just use 12FG instead (since you probably don't need two characters to fight banding chains, which are dying anyway). Maybe we could try something liek this:

"Goliath cannot be ignored while he remains in play. If one hero is in battle, negate banding abilities. If more than one hero is in battle, you may band to a warrior class Philistine. Cannot be Prevented by a good card."

That isn't quite as accurate, but I'm just brainstorming right now.
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Re: Goliath (ACCURATE new idea)
« Reply #33 on: December 10, 2009, 08:51:53 AM »
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it doesnt need to be spot-on accurate. personally, i think evil has been long overdue for a captain of the host equivalent, and i think goliath could fit that well. 10/10, phillies can band to him...i like it.
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Re: Goliath (ACCURATE new idea)
« Reply #34 on: December 10, 2009, 09:00:44 AM »
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Prof, you can only use Outpost once each time you are attacked. Otherwise it'd be broken.
Oops.  Thanks for the clarification.  I haven't used this card yet myself and misunderstood it.  Actually I'm really glad to hear this.


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Re: Goliath (ACCURATE new idea)
« Reply #35 on: December 10, 2009, 09:04:09 AM »
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hezekiahs signet ring = outpost fail.
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Re: Goliath (ACCURATE new idea)
« Reply #36 on: December 10, 2009, 09:17:50 AM »
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Goliath cannot be ignored while he remains in play. If one hero is in battle, negate banding abilities. If more than one hero is in battle, you may band to a warrior class Philistine. Cannot be Prevented by a good card.

I REALLY like the idea of cards that do something, but if a requirement is met, do something entirely different.

Also, Goliath should be this:

If Goliath is in battle with Red brigade non-warrior class David and opponent plays both David's Sling and Five Smooth Stones, holder immediately loses the game.

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Re: Goliath (ACCURATE new idea)
« Reply #37 on: December 10, 2009, 10:15:06 AM »
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...but what would be the point of playing goliath over any other 10/10 black evil character without a hindrance like that?
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Re: Goliath (ACCURATE new idea)
« Reply #38 on: December 10, 2009, 10:25:19 AM »
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"Cannot be Ignored" needs "while in play."


Oops, that is true.

Also, I saw Bryon had posted, hoping he'd say something about suggesting the card for the next set or something awesome like that, but my hopes were crushed when he didnt even say anything about my card. :'(
I really like your card idea.  I find nothing wrong with a culture having some redundnacy in the special ability department.  Most TCGames have multiple cards with the same ability in the same theme/culture, and it works.  Cultures have their own strengths and weaknesses that way.  It is easy for a banding deck to deal with ONE character like this (Angel of the Lord, etc.), but having to deal with two characters with similar abilities would be more of a challenge.  You can expect that my vote will go for a "negate all banding"-type ability similar to yours when Goliath is eventually made.  I also have a totally unique function planned for his identifier, but he isn't currently on the 2010 list.

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Re: Goliath (ACCURATE new idea)
« Reply #39 on: December 10, 2009, 10:40:56 AM »
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everybody already has to deal with 2 or more of a character with the same abilities when it comes to phillistines.
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Re: Goliath (ACCURATE new idea)
« Reply #40 on: December 10, 2009, 11:40:37 AM »
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hezekiahs signet ring = outpost fail.

not against philly armor bearer or philly priests
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Re: Goliath (ACCURATE new idea)
« Reply #41 on: December 10, 2009, 11:46:59 AM »
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i was talking about phillistine outpost, not armorbearer or priests. signet ring completely shuts down phillistine outpost.
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Re: Goliath (ACCURATE new idea)
« Reply #42 on: December 10, 2009, 01:10:30 PM »
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i was talking about phillistine outpost, not armorbearer or priests. signet ring completely shuts down phillistine outpost.

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Re: Goliath (ACCURATE new idea)
« Reply #43 on: December 10, 2009, 08:07:54 PM »
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I was under the impression that Philistine Armorbearer worked JUST like a search ability, and therefore was considered one. I guess I always figured that even though it doesn't SAY search, that's it's implied, and is still basically what you're doing. Is this not the case?

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Re: Goliath (ACCURATE new idea)
« Reply #44 on: December 10, 2009, 08:09:46 PM »
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Its an exchange ability. Just as perpetual priesthood does not band.
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Re: Goliath (ACCURATE new idea)
« Reply #45 on: December 10, 2009, 08:10:47 PM »
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So even though you still have to search your deck for the card, it doesn't count as searching because of the wording? Just making sure I'm clear on this.

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Re: Goliath (ACCURATE new idea)
« Reply #46 on: December 10, 2009, 08:11:51 PM »
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To my knowledge. I am not 100% sure.
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Re: Goliath (ACCURATE new idea)
« Reply #47 on: December 10, 2009, 11:38:34 PM »
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Its an exchange ability. Just as perpetual priesthood does not band.

+1 it says exchange on the card. not search
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