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I have long suggested that we have an alternate, EC version of King Solomon, as we do for King Saul.  It just seems logical to me.  Both men started out good, and then things went very bad.  In fact in Solomon's case he succumbed to idolatry, built high places, and put his wives ahead of Jehovah.  Whether Solomon repented or not is debatable.  I'd like to think that he did because I believe him to be the author of Ecclesiastes.  But that is beside the point.  He is someone who for the majority of his reign/life was not faithful to God, and we only have a hero version of him in the game.  Oh well - to each their own.

But now that he have the new and improved evil King Manasseh version from Disciples (pretty powerful from what I can tell), I have looked into HIS reign more.  Most bible students remember Manasseh as having a good father, Hezekiah, and then going on to become the MOST wicked king that Judah ever had.  He killed his own children in worship of idols, and he practiced witchcraft too.  Should we have an evil card for King Manasseh?  ABSOLUTELY!

But how many of us remember what happened near the END of Manasseh's reign?  I encourage everyone to read ALL of 2 Chronicles 33 when you have time.  In verse 10 God brings Assyria against Manasseh and they take him away with hooks and fetters and carry him to Babylon (ironic).  But there in Babylon he humbled himself, repented, and prayed to God.  God had mercy on him and returned him to his throne in Jerusalem.  And this was not a fake repentance either.  He then began to tear down all the idols and altars he himself had built, and he restored the proper temple worship of Jehovah in Jerusalem, and furthermore COMMANDED Judah to serve the Lord God.  Finally, at the end of the chapter, it contrasts his son Amon with Manasseh, pointing out that Amon would not humble himself as his father had.

I hope you can see my point by now.  Doesn't Manasseh deserve a HERO version as well in Redemption?  After all, his life story is what this game is all about!  To me it's akin to if we only had an evil character named Saul of Tarsus and did not have a hero/apostle named Paul.  To whatever extent that the saved who have gone on before us can observe what we do in this life, I doubt Manasseh is as enthused as we all are about what a cool evil character he has become.  Maybe this warrants a promo version of GOOD KING MANASSEH?

Thanks for listening.  His story really is quite amazing to read about.

^To go with Steffer's card ^

Plea and Entreaty
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Convert King Manasseh to a Hero or search deck for a King Manasseh hero and put in play.

"And when he prayed to him, the LORD was moved by his entreaty and listened to his plea; so he brought him back to Jerusalem and to his kingdom. Then Manasseh knew that the LORD is God. " 2 Chronicles 33:13

I vote a no for evil King Solomon. wasn't the book of Ecclesiastes written at the end of his life? Good King Manasseh...perhaps.

But if we're only judging "Hero or EC?" by the end of someone's life, why have evil versions of Saul (Paul) and Manasseh at all?  It seems to me that the game acknowledges that humans can go back and forth, and can "fall from grace".  But I'm not trying to start a theological discussion.  Perhaps Eccles is the reasoning of some for no evil Solomon, but take a look at what he did in 1 Kings 10-11 and you might change your mind

Plea and Entreaty
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Convert King Manasseh to a Hero or search deck for a King Manasseh hero and put in play.

I would say...

Plea and Entreaty
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"Convert an evil king to a Hero or search deck for a good King Manasseh and add it to battle."

I like Steffer's card idea a lot, and agree that there should be a good King Manasseh card just as much as there should be a good Solomon card, if not more.

Along with this may i add a good version of good ol' nebby has been proposed after he ate Grass

and may i mention the bab that was converted by the fiery furnace incident

Yeah, I SERIOUSLY want a good nebby promo.

I've been working on a Joseph Smith hero card but I'm not liking his current SA. My Colin card is almost done.

Quote from: Ring Wraith on September 10, 2010, 06:06:51 PM

Quote from: stefferweffer on September 10, 2010, 12:20:23 AM

Quote from: Ring Wraith on September 10, 2010, 12:13:58 AM

I vote a no for evil King Solomon. wasn't the book of Ecclesiastes written at the end of his life? Good King Manasseh...perhaps.

But if we're only judging "Hero or EC?" by the end of someone's life, why have evil versions of Saul (Paul) and Manasseh at all?  It seems to me that the game acknowledges that humans can go back and forth, and can "fall from grace".

do they really need to stir up more controversy? if you go by that logic, we could make an evil King David, evil Aaron, evil everything.

i think it would make more sense if we had more cards like saul/paul. where they start one way, and can be converted and gain a new ability

I agree. which could be the case with Manassah. but only for extreme situations like Saul/Paul and Manassah.

I've been working on a Joseph Smith hero card but I'm not liking his current SA. My Colin card is almost done.

ftw.

Paul would have a better special ability then if he wasn't a two character.

Edit: Saul...

Quote from: joeycauldron on September 11, 2010, 01:16:57 PM

Paul would have a better special ability then if he wasn't a two character.

There's nothing wrong with his ability....I mean seriously, he's CBN. lol

and multi-colored.... can't beat that really

He already is.

Quote from: Minister Polarius on September 11, 2010, 01:50:50 PM

He already is.

???how why when where

how: he was born in Tarsus. why: because somebody born in a roman city is a roman citizen. when: probably around 30 A.D., but idk, I haven't looked at the historical timeline at all. where: answered by how.

EDIT: that doesn't make any sense. the post below me is correct.