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Random Herod Who's name I don't know!
« on: February 08, 2010, 01:05:37 PM »
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Herod ?????
"Discard all male, humans with toughness */5 or less. CBP"

Matt: 2:16. Then Herod, when he saw that he was deceived by the wise men, was exceedingly angry; and he sent forth and put to death all the male children who were in Bethlehem and in all its districts, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had determined from the wise men.
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Re: Random Herod Who's name I don't know!
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2010, 01:17:30 PM »
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I would add some sort of a cost... either Do X to discard.... or "Discard .... and then discard X after battle.

Something to balance that out.

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Re: Random Herod Who's name I don't know!
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2010, 01:23:03 PM »
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I have a better idea for the Herod in that verse:

8/9 Black EC.

Type: Evil Char. • Brigade: Black • Ability: 8 / 9 • Class: None • Special Ability: No Heroes may band this turn. Any already banded must return to their territories.

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But seriously, since Herod the Great probably could use a reprint, that might be a good idea. I would do this though:

Herod the Great, 10/7 Gold WC EC.

"When blocking, opponent must set a Hero in battle aside for four turns, or all male humans with toughness */3 or less are discarded. Cannot be Prevented by a good card."

It makes sense biblically, since Joseph "set his family aside" to save Jesus. */5 is too high of a number, especially in combo with PwD or Broken Cisterns. And 3/3 is used on the card that describes the event, Massacre of Innocents. What do you think?
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Re: Random Herod Who's name I don't know!
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2010, 01:24:23 PM »
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Me likey that one.

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Re: Random Herod Who's name I don't know!
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2010, 01:24:59 PM »
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Meh. How many widely-used Male Heroes have a toughness of 3 or less? I can only think of Zaccheus.
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Re: Random Herod Who's name I don't know!
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2010, 01:26:04 PM »
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I like it. I was gonna do /2 then thought it was too weak, then thought /5 would help herods more but it was a bit OP'd.
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Re: Random Herod Who's name I don't know!
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2010, 01:26:42 PM »
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Pair it up with decreasers to make it a lot stronger.

Maybe make that card gold/brown, so he can use the plethora of brown decreasers?

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Re: Random Herod Who's name I don't know!
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2010, 01:33:20 PM »
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Perhaps
"Holder May capture a hero in play with toughness less than this character. Opponent may withdraw a hero from battle instead."
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Re: Random Herod Who's name I don't know!
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2010, 01:36:25 PM »
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Meh. How many widely-used Male Heroes have a toughness of 3 or less? I can only think of Zaccheus.

Zebulun, Benjamin, Ahimaaz (sometimes Spy), Nahum, Joel...alright, I can kind of see your point on the Heroes.

However:

Any of the 1/1 Kings, Uzzah, Nebushasban and Fallen Warrior would also fall victim to it.

Plus, the ranges extend greatly in combo with PwD or Crown of Thorns.

Pair it up with decreasers to make it a lot stronger.

Maybe make that card gold/brown, so he can use the plethora of brown decreasers?

Possible, but not completely necessary thanks to Herod's Treachery.
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Re: Random Herod Who's name I don't know!
« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2010, 01:39:47 PM »
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Oooh I missed that it didn't specify heroes.

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Re: Random Herod Who's name I don't know!
« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2010, 01:43:31 PM »
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Oooh I missed that it didn't specify heroes.
As did I. Herod/Demons Weakness decreasers would be perty cool.
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Re: Random Herod Who's name I don't know!
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2010, 01:47:24 PM »
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Oooh I missed that it didn't specify heroes.
As did I. Herod/Demons Weakness decreasers would be perty cool.

Lol. Yours didn't specify heroes either...
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Re: Random Herod Who's name I don't know!
« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2010, 01:48:40 PM »
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I do have one minor problem with both versions in this case...

Don't we have enough cards to kill ECs in territory as it is? IMO, that's the biggest issue in the game right now.

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Re: Random Herod Who's name I don't know!
« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2010, 02:02:58 PM »
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I agree with that. I'd make it human heroes only, in which case it wouldn't be unspeakable to make it */5, or maybe */4. (By the way, this really hurts prophets, and also Luke heroes and Genesis, especially with PWD active.)

And instead of making it CBP, I'd make it CBI, since it certainly wasn't interrupted. Maybe "Cannot be interrupted except by a Roman."
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Re: Random Herod Who's name I don't know!
« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2010, 02:07:07 PM »
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I do have one minor problem with both versions in this case...

Don't we have enough cards to kill ECs in territory as it is? IMO, that's the biggest issue in the game right now.

With my version, you can't use him in a side battle or as a hero (due to when blocking...) so the opponent always has the option to stop the massacre if it will be too destructive for their deck/strategy, but at the likely cost of losing the RA. And if they don't withdraw, they can still negate it after the fact. Also, the fact that his ability isn't optional adds to the balance, in case he's your only effective blocking option but you would suffer more from his ability than your opponent.

And instead of making it CBP, I'd make it CBI, since it certainly wasn't interrupted. Maybe "Cannot be interrupted except by a Roman."

Eww...sorry, but I would be okay if I didn't see Cannot be Interrupted on a battle-winning ability for quite awhile, unless it had a cost associated with it.
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Re: Random Herod Who's name I don't know!
« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2010, 02:08:14 PM »
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Oooh I missed that it didn't specify heroes.
As did I. Herod/Demons Weakness decreasers would be perty cool.

Lol. Yours didn't specify heroes either...
Yeah, mine was made that way on purpose. Idk how I missed it on yours.
I agree with that. I'd make it human heroes only, in which case it wouldn't be unspeakable to make it */5, or maybe */4. (By the way, this really hurts prophets, and also Luke heroes and Genesis, especially with PWD active.)

And instead of making it CBP, I'd make it CBI, since it certainly wasn't interrupted. Maybe "Cannot be interrupted except by a Roman."
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