Author Topic: Expansion Submissions Discussion (Read 11689 times)

megamanlan · « **Reply #50 on:** September 19, 2011, 05:59:49 PM »

Because everything in the game has more meaning than a 'game mechanic'.

lightningninja · « **Reply #51 on:** September 19, 2011, 06:34:28 PM »

Quote from: megamanlan on September 19, 2011, 05:59:49 PM

Because everything in the game has more meaning than a 'game mechanic'.

Wait now I'm just curious. Yes or no: you believe making CM a multi-enhancement, instead of a dominant, would be less broken?

Korunks · « **Reply #52 on:** September 20, 2011, 05:32:47 PM »

Especially since several of the cards submitted by those on the committee haven't been mentioned either. Pol has the most submitted and almost zero talk about them.

Josh · « **Reply #53 on:** September 20, 2011, 09:50:29 PM »

So far, the discussion on new cards, in 60+ cards, has been limited to:

1. A handful of REPs expressing the desire that Silver not be a viable standalone offense. This is very reasonable, since (as Pol said) it's going to be extremely difficult to make Silver viable standalone without making it OP
2. Some discussions on some (mostly) OP lost souls

...and that's been about it. I'm just brainstorming ideas to move this along. Here's my idea:

Some people have submitted many many cards. Perhaps they could highlight a few of their favorites and why they fit into Pol's outline of what cards are desired (hurts speed, hurts Dominants, etc). Then the reviewers/REPs could give constructive feedback on how the card could be modified to be more playable/less OP/etc, and then the person could "perfect" their favorite cards to give them a better chance of making the cut.

I will offer my card, Swift, up for criticism. I was going for a Silver hero that:
1. Is useful in both T1 and T2
2. Is good for initiative (5/2, negates play abilities)
3. In-brigade banding. I made it CBN by evil cards, since most brigades have CBN banding in-brigade, and Swift is only 5/2, and most Silver cards are negatable (unless Michael is in battle). Maybe CBN is OP though. Criticism welcome.

Also, I think it would be cool for future cards to not merely "stop" the overpowered things like drawing and Dominants, because they usually only work if they get set up in advance. We could make cards that severely punish players that use them. Such as:

Human EC
Some abilities
"If opponent has drawn cards this turn from a good card, you may remove a good card in play or opponent's hand from the game. Blah blah something else to make this card theme-related so it might get played. Cannot be negated."

Site
Some color
X = the number of cards drawn by special ability on heroes this turn
"At any time, if opponent's hero is making a rescue attempt or battle challenge, you may place X cards in your land of bondage on the top or bottom of owner's deck."

megamanlan · « **Reply #54 on:** September 20, 2011, 10:18:56 PM »

Quote from: lightningninja on September 19, 2011, 06:34:28 PM

Quote from: megamanlan on September 19, 2011, 05:59:49 PM
Because everything in the game has more meaning than a 'game mechanic'.
Wait now I'm just curious. Yes or no: you believe making CM a multi-enhancement, instead of a dominant, would be less broken?

No, it would be worse, a Multicolor Discard Hero Enhancement that's CBN + u can have another copy for every 50 cards in a deck is OP in my book!

JSB23 · « **Reply #55 on:** September 20, 2011, 10:30:37 PM »

You can only have 1 multicolor per deck

megamanlan · « **Reply #56 on:** September 20, 2011, 10:32:51 PM »

Also, this new set makes it really easy to stop Silver stand alone. Considering that Silver only has 2 Heroes that are CBN that anyone would ever use.

Besides most of the new Prophets, and Characters in general are making Angels less and less OP, and don't forget that Angels cannot recur any Battle-enders, (Vs Prophets, Disciples, Priests, and many other sets).

Plus the only Really good Silver Heroes are the FBTN and the searchers, and all of their effects can be stopped as well.

As for CM, Still, I see it as an Enhancement is worse then it being a Dom.

JSB23 · « **Reply #57 on:** September 20, 2011, 11:44:31 PM »

I'm pretty sure Pol knows a little bit more about game balance then you

Quote from: megamanlan on September 20, 2011, 10:32:51 PM

As for CM, Still, I see it as an Enhancement is worse then it being a Dom.

You sir are poor and Irish.

megamanlan · « **Reply #58 on:** September 21, 2011, 12:39:00 AM »

I'm making an argument for Stand-alone Angels, considering that I play them so I do know them better than most others (who are not currently running them).
Angels have hardly any CB-anything cards that are good and only 1 playable CBN card.

As for CM, I am Irish (partly) but do we have to just go down to name-calling?

EmJayBee83 · « **Reply #59 on:** September 21, 2011, 01:08:07 AM »

I don't think has anything to do with your nationality or name-calling. I believe it was a reference to Gentle Manne of Leisure and was meant as a joking put-down*.'

*In my day we would have probably gone with, "Your mother is an hamster and your father smells of elderberries!"

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #60 on:** September 21, 2011, 10:14:13 AM »

Megaman, you were warned about double-posting. Triple-posting is not any more acceptable.

megamanlan · « **Reply #61 on:** September 21, 2011, 02:47:55 PM »

Sorry, I posted that late and it slipped my mind.

Anyway, I do play stand-alone Angels and they have only 1 useful CBN enhancement and a handful of useful Characters that are CBN. Plus Angels have NO good drawing, no recurring of good Enhancements, no Site/Fortress Discarders, no Artifact anything, no Hand/Deck Protection while in play.

Angels don't have anything that could make them crazy and they can't stand up to any real Negate all Cards.

Also, as to Wrath of the Lord, the section suggests that it should be a curse or at least Silver. It makes no sense as Teal Brigade.

drb1200 · « **Reply #62 on:** September 26, 2011, 09:56:43 PM »

Just wanted to test-drive my new template.

Here is my photo stream: http://www.flickr.com/photos/onefortheocracy/

Korunks · « **Reply #63 on:** September 27, 2011, 08:48:19 AM »

Template looks pretty good. The cards are also ok. I think Cornelius should have the same numbers as the other centurions. (7/6) Maybe allow him to band to all Centurions? That would give centurions a nice little punch. I have been thinking about a Jezebel card with that verse, but I thought it would be neat for her to mess with NT heros to match with the verse better. I like False Vision.

megamanlan · « **Reply #64 on:** September 27, 2011, 02:23:13 PM »

I agree. Jezabel should be a bit more like the Entrapping Pharisees.

Red Wing · « **Reply #65 on:** September 27, 2011, 04:20:35 PM »

I like the cards a lot, but I agree with Korunks and Megamanian.

Warriorclass · « **Reply #66 on:** September 27, 2011, 10:37:00 PM »

Quote from: Korunks on September 27, 2011, 08:48:19 AM

I think Cornelius should have the same numbers as the other centurions. (7/6) Maybe allow him to band to all Centurions? That would give centurions a nice little punch.

Yeah, if it said all centurions it would make peeps use the old 7/6 centurion (x3)

drb1200 · « **Reply #67 on:** September 28, 2011, 03:12:44 PM »

Updated.

megamanlan · « **Reply #68 on:** September 28, 2011, 04:01:01 PM »

What updates?

Red Wing · « **Reply #69 on:** September 28, 2011, 04:02:03 PM »

Quote from: megamanlan on September 28, 2011, 04:01:01 PM

What updates?

Edomite cards.

JSB23 · « **Reply #70 on:** September 28, 2011, 05:20:44 PM »

Doeg is a little messed up,

it should read "You may shuffle an inactive artifact into your deck to search deck for an evil enhancement."
The way you have it worded the evil enhancement would go into the artifact pile

Asahel24601 · « **Reply #71 on:** September 28, 2011, 07:50:32 PM »

Drrek · « **Reply #72 on:** September 28, 2011, 08:53:32 PM »

Quote from: JSB23 on September 28, 2011, 05:20:44 PM

Doeg is a little messed up,

it should read "You may shuffle an inactive artifact into your deck to search deck for an evil enhancement."
The way you have it worded the evil enhancement would go into the artifact pile

Actually it wouldn't put it in the artifact pile, it would go to its default location. I don't know if that's to the field of battle or to hand in this situation though, but a card can never go to an illegal location.

Quote from: Gabe on August 18, 2011, 03:09:25 PM

Quote from: RTSmaniac on August 18, 2011, 02:05:20 PM
so any other situation where a card exchanges for another card into a non-legal place will go where?

The default location for that card. This lines up with other examples you might already be familiar with:

I band to your Philistine Armorbearer. I use his ability to search my deck for a Philistine. Your cards are never put into my deck so the Armorbearer is shuffled into your deck.

If I have your Great Faith because of Gleaning the Fields or Taking Egypt's Wealth, and I play it in battle, it does not go into my deck, it goes to yours.

There was a time when people tried to say that Ithamar, son of Aaron could activate any Artifact into the Tabernacle. Rob accurately ruled that The Tabernacle can only hold a Tabernacle Artifact based on it's identifier.

soul seeker · « **Reply #73 on:** September 29, 2011, 01:03:30 PM »

Short Shameless Plug:
Finished my 7 Detestable Sins and "Xodia"-like Demon on the other (Expansion Submissions) thread (pg. 2) a little bit ago. I'm curious about some of your thoughts. Personally and biasly, I think they are great.

* Sorry for the lack of pictures...I do not have any kind of editing/paint program.

drb1200 · « **Reply #74 on:** November 21, 2011, 07:58:46 PM »

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