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Elymas (Bar-Jesus) the Sorcerer and other False Prophets
« on: May 16, 2010, 02:47:59 AM »
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These cards assume the definition of "False Prophet" is "Any Evil Prophet."

Elymas (Bar-Jesus) the Sorcerer
5/8 Pale Green/Grey Evil Character
-Magician, Prophet-
"Discard a Demon. Discard a Hero if Demon went to Discard Pile. Opponent may Convert his Evil Character instead. Cannot be Negated if Discarding own Demon."
Acts 13:6

Baalam
5/7 Grey Evil Character
-Prophet, Medianite-
"Protected from Angel of the Lord. You may Convert a Hero in a territory. If you do, Discard this card after block."

Hananiah
5/10 Grey Evil Character
-Prophet, Judahite-
"Discard if a Babylonian is in opponent's territory. If this card is Discarded this turn, Protect all Lost Souls from rescue. Cannot be Negated if a Priest is in play."
Jeremiah 28:1

False Christ
4/4 Grey Evil Character
-Prophet, Generic-
"May band with a False Prophet to Discard a Good Dominant from opponent's deck. Opponent may Discard all Heroes in battle instead. If he does, Discard this card after battle."
Matthew 24:24

The False Prophet
8/12 Grey Evil Character
-False Prophet, Same unique character as Beast from the Earth-
"May band with a Prophet to Protect all Heroes from Discard. Special Abilities on False Prophets Cannot be Negated if opponent has more than six cards in hand."
Revelation 19:20

False Dreams
2/2 Grey Evil Enhancement, TC
"If used by a False Prophet, Place in opponent's territory: False Prophets you control are protected from cards opponent controls."

False Peace
2/2 Grey Evil Enhancement
"Search deck for any card. If used by a False Prophet, Cannot be Negated and place on a Hero: Hero may only begin battle challenges."

False Visions
2/2 Grey Evil Enhancement, TC
"You may play an Enhancement with 'Snare' in the title."

False Prophecy
2/2 Grey Evil Enhancement
-X=Number of Good Brigades and Fortresses opponent has in play-
"Repel human Heroes. If blocker loses, look at opponent's deck, arrange however you like, and replace deck without shuffling. Opponent may Discard X cards from hand to Negate this effect, otherwise Cannot be Negated if used by a False Prophet."
« Last Edit: May 17, 2010, 01:45:42 PM by Minister Polarius »
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Re: Elymas (Bar-Jesus) the Sorcerer and other False Prophets
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2010, 09:00:41 AM »
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The first thing I notice on these cards is that you like to shorten "convert to _____" to just "convert." However, since we have a precedent for converting to a brigade of the same alignment (Gold Shield), I would clarify, since I don't think you mean to make that an option. The words "to a hero" do not take up much room.

As to the cards, I LOVE most of the ideas. However, a few of these cards are just completely OP.

Elymas is simply devastating if your opponent uses demons, which are already underused as is. And if both of you are using demons, then you pretty much win if you use this card.

Hananiah can be essentially another (often even better) Uzzah, which is always BAD in my opinion. (I know you'll say, "but you have to use babs in your deck also in order for this to be good." Yeah, so throw a Nebushasban in your speed deck and you're good to go. I sometimes do that anyway. :P)

False Dreams basically says "Opponent can't rescue any lost souls." Just block with all your devastating superhero prophets and completely level your opponent. :P

I think I like all the rest, but most of 'em are still just on the verge of OP'dness. As usual, great ideas.
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Re: Elymas (Bar-Jesus) the Sorcerer and other False Prophets
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2010, 11:11:09 AM »
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I agree that I made these really powerful, but to be fair, they are in Grey.

Imo, the only reason Demons seem UU is because RTS doesn't really have the capability to support them. If RTS had the functionality to run demons correctly, it's all I'd play. And the protection for False Prophets is vulnerable, so if Elymas has you down, kill him in territory after taking out False Dreams.

Hananiah I'll change to "opponent's territory."

False Dreams is vulnerable to the same cards Abom is, without the added benefit of being in the Brigade of Pride of Simon and King Amon.

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Re: Elymas (Bar-Jesus) the Sorcerer and other False Prophets
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2010, 11:39:56 AM »
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I agree that I made these really powerful, but to be fair, they are in Grey.
IMO, grey is underrated. Also, I don't think it's a good idea to make a new and really powerful theme for grey because then the power of the other three will have to be dulled or that brigade will become overused.

Imo, the only reason Demons seem UU is because RTS doesn't really have the capability to support them. If RTS had the functionality to run demons correctly, it's all I'd play. And the protection for False Prophets is vulnerable, so if Elymas has you down, kill him in territory after taking out False Dreams.
I don't see demons used much IRL either. Also, I do NOT want to encourage the use of ET/AoCP (meaning I don't like cards whose only counters are territory destruction).

Hananiah I'll change to "opponent's territory."
It would be cooler if you made him easier to use, but had him protect for a whole round. ;D

False Dreams is vulnerable to the same cards Abom is, without the added benefit of being in the Brigade of Pride of Simon and King Amon.
I would have this, Lying Spirit, and Twice Afflicted in every single deck if this was made. Actually, if this was made, I would probably quit the game. :P
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Re: Elymas (Bar-Jesus) the Sorcerer and other False Prophets
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2010, 11:52:21 PM »
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False visions is a fail. Why wouldn't you just play the enhancement???
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Re: Elymas (Bar-Jesus) the Sorcerer and other False Prophets
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2010, 11:53:05 PM »
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It's Territory class - It's allowing you to capture outside of battle. It's not fail at all.
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Re: Elymas (Bar-Jesus) the Sorcerer and other False Prophets
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2010, 01:25:28 AM »
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False Visions
2/2 Grey Evil Enhancement, TC
"You may play an Enhancement with 'Snare' in the title."
Protect High Places from discard this phase. Now that's more like it.

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Re: Elymas (Bar-Jesus) the Sorcerer and other False Prophets
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2010, 01:27:05 AM »
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That would be OP.

*EDIT* Modified Elymas
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Re: Elymas (Bar-Jesus) the Sorcerer and other False Prophets
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2010, 06:31:54 PM »
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These cards assume the definition of "False Prophet" is "Any Evil Prophet."

Elymas (Bar-Jesus) the Sorcerer
5/8 Pale Green/Grey Evil Character
-Magician, Prophet-
"Discard a Demon. Discard a Hero if Demon went to Discard Pile. Opponent may Convert his Evil Character instead. Cannot be Negated if Discarding own Demon."
Acts 13:6



Erm, I just opened him in one of my boosters... Is he a new card idea, or a revision of the already existing one???  ???
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Re: Elymas (Bar-Jesus) the Sorcerer and other False Prophets
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2010, 06:32:47 PM »
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A revision of the existing version. In recent years redemption has gone through a lot of the older cards and updated them.
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Re: Elymas (Bar-Jesus) the Sorcerer and other False Prophets
« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2010, 06:39:22 PM »
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A revision of the existing version. In recent years redemption has gone through a lot of the older cards and updated them.

Here is what I opened:
Elymas (Bar-Jesus) the Sorcerer

5/8 EC Brigade: Gray

"Holder must discard a demon from holder's territory and may discard one hero from each opponent's territory."
Acts 13:8

So is the revision a way to make him even more powerful???
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Re: Elymas (Bar-Jesus) the Sorcerer and other False Prophets
« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2010, 06:40:57 PM »
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He's not all that powerful, he's very rarely used in the current meta-game.

You should also remember that these are not real cards, but rather ideas.
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« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2010, 06:42:34 PM »
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Mmmmm ok.
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