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Demons and Angels and Misc
« on: February 01, 2010, 03:41:02 PM »
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Tower of Babel
Evil Fortress | Holds 1 Evil Character | Genesis 11:8
While occupied, when a Hero enters play with the same brigade as a Hero in owner's territory, convert that Hero to a different brigade of owner's choice. Discard this card if The Garden Tomb is in play.

NOTE: Not sure if "occupied" is the right terminology as sites are "occupied", fortresses "Hold".

<Nameless Demon>
Orange Evil Character | 2/3 | Generic, Demon | Ability is active while character is held in an evil fortress |
While this character is held in an evil fortress, play with the bottom card of each player's deck revealed. If your demon has initiative during a rescue attempt, you may band a revealed orange brigade demon into battle. If the demon would return to territory, return to bottom of owner's deck instead. Cannot be negated.

NOTE: When it says "a revealed orange brigade demon" it means if the bottom card of anyone's deck is an orange brigade demon.

Angel with the Secret Name
Silver Hero | 6/2 | Generic, Male | Ability is active in set aside |
This hero can enter battle from set aside as though he was in your territory. If he enters battle this way, treat him as being in play until end of battle. Cannot be negated.

NOTE: Basically, if he's set aside via an enhancement or if he's sitting in CoA, you can still make rescue attempts/battle challenges with him. However, you cannot band to him as he's not in play until he enters battle and if he survives battle he returns to set aside.

Angelic Swiftness
Silver Hero Enhancement | 0/0 | Territory-class | Unique enhancement |
Place this card in your set aside area. While it remains, your set aside abilities take one less turn to complete (to a minimum of one turn).

NOTE: It's a unique enhancement meaning the same as non-generic characters: you can't have more than one in play at a time. Basically, enhancements that have specific time frames (Gathering, etc.) return one turn sooner, and cards that count the number of turns aside start at 1 instead of 0.

Entrap the Innocents
X Brigade Evil Enhancement | 0/0 | Territory-class |
Place in your territory for 3 turns. While this remains, Lost Souls with no special ability in your Land of Bondage are protected from rescue except by heroes with no special abilities.
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Re: Demons and Angels
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2010, 03:46:48 PM »
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I got a love hate thing going with tower of babel. It discourages single colored offenses, but its ability is pretty cool. I might change it from "Play" to owners territory. That way someone won't get owned because they are using the same offense as you.

Nameless demon is... confusing very confusing on how you could reveal your bottom card while drawing from the top? Also doesn't the shuffling sort of kill orange's theme of place on bottom?

Nameless angel (Angel with a secret name;) )is also odd, because his ability only activates if he is IN battle.

Angelic swiftness needs to say (Minimum 1 turn set aside) or else I could do ANY one turn set aside instantly.
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Re: Demons and Angels
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2010, 12:09:12 AM »
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Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on February 01, 2010, 03:46:48 PM
I got a love hate thing going with tower of babel. It discourages single colored offenses, but its ability is pretty cool. I might change it from "Play" to owners territory. That way someone won't get owned because they are using the same offense as you.

I was thinking of making it owner's territory, but wasn't sure. Thanks for the confirmation ^_^

Nameless demon is... confusing very confusing on how you could reveal your bottom card while drawing from the top? Also doesn't the shuffling sort of kill orange's theme of place on bottom?

The shuffling was only so that you couldn't abuse this by banding the same demon from bottom of deck into battle over and over again. I can remove that if you don't think it's necessary.

Nameless angel (Angel with a secret name;) )is also odd, because his ability only activates if he is IN battle.

Yeah, that was the problem I had with his effect. I'm thinking of adding a "For remainder of game, " to the beginning of his effect so he just has to enter battle once and then he can do the set aside stuff.

Angelic swiftness needs to say (Minimum 1 turn set aside) or else I could do ANY one turn set aside instantly.

Yes! I forgot that part. Thanks.
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Re: Demons and Angels and Misc
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2010, 02:56:27 AM »
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Added Entrap the Innocents, a new card idea I originally posted elsewhere but thought I should add here for further comments/suggestions ^_^
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Re: Demons and Angels and Misc
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2010, 08:38:42 AM »
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Entrap the Parisees is awful. That card would be in every speed deck. I like the idea of making no-SA LS's viable, but that's just too powerful. You could try a non-TC EE that says "place all non-SA LS beneath owners' decks" or something like that.

For Angel w/ Secret Name, couldn't you have an identifier that says "SA activates from set-aside"? That would make the wording able to be a little smoother.

For Tower of Babel, wouldn't you want to affect EC's, not heroes?

I have to say, I really just don't like the Nameless Demon. It's way too complicated, and it doesn't seem like it would be that helpful.
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Re: Demons and Angels and Misc
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2010, 08:42:22 AM »
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Quote from: BubbleBoy on February 02, 2010, 08:38:42 AM
Entrap the Parisees is awful. That card would be in every speed deck. I like the idea of making no-SA LS's viable, but that's just too powerful. You could try a non-TC EE that says "place all non-SA LS beneath owners' decks" or something like that.

Eh, I didn't want to make it a copy of Death of Unrighteous. But, I suppose I could at least rethink the idea.

For Angel w/ Secret Name, couldn't you have an identifier that says "SA activates from set-aside"? That would make the wording able to be a little smoother.

Fixed.

For Tower of Babel, wouldn't you want to affect EC's, not heroes?

Er, why?

I have to say, I really just don't like the Nameless Demon. It's way too complicated, and it doesn't seem like it would be that helpful.

It was mostly just a random idea I had, not necessarily anything game breaking. I'm very much a complicated effect kind of guy :P.
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Re: Demons and Angels and Misc
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2010, 08:50:25 AM »
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Quote from: browarod on February 02, 2010, 08:42:22 AM
Quote from: BubbleBoy on February 02, 2010, 08:38:42 AM
For Tower of Babel, wouldn't you want to affect EC's, not heroes?
Er, why?
Well, it was an evil act...I would think most of the people involved were evil...I like accurate abilities...
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Re: Demons and Angels and Misc
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2010, 08:51:42 AM »
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Quote from: BubbleBoy on February 02, 2010, 08:50:25 AM
Quote from: browarod on February 02, 2010, 08:42:22 AM
Quote from: BubbleBoy on February 02, 2010, 08:38:42 AM
For Tower of Babel, wouldn't you want to affect EC's, not heroes?
Er, why?
Well, it was an evil act...I would think most of the people involved were evil...I like accurate abilities...
What's not evil about the ability?
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Re: Demons and Angels and Misc
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2010, 09:22:34 AM »
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Quote from: browarod on February 02, 2010, 08:51:42 AM
Quote from: BubbleBoy on February 02, 2010, 08:50:25 AM
Quote from: browarod on February 02, 2010, 08:42:22 AM
Quote from: BubbleBoy on February 02, 2010, 08:38:42 AM
For Tower of Babel, wouldn't you want to affect EC's, not heroes?
Er, why?
Well, it was an evil act...I would think most of the people involved were evil...I like accurate abilities...
What's not evil about the ability?
Oh, the ability is evil, don't get me wrong. I just don't think it's accurate. The tower of Babel itself didn't convert everyone to different brigades; God did that because of it. Babel was an attempt to do the opposite. Here's what I might say:

Tower of Babel
Evil Fortress | X=Brigade with the most EC's in holder's territory | Genesis 11:4
You may place one Evil Character in this fortress during your preparation phase. Next turn, return that Evil Character to owner's territory and convert it to X brigade. Protect X brigade EC's in your territory from effect.

And then you can have a card,

Destroying Babel
Good Dominant | Genesis 11:8
Discard an evil fortress. All characters converted by that fortress are converted to a brigade which they have never been.

These are just sketches.
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Re: Demons and Angels and Misc
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2010, 09:50:16 AM »
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If you really want complete accuracy, I suppose you never use Saint Patrick, Holy Grail, Falling Away, etc.?

The idea was to work against single brigade offenses not promote single brigade defenses, so your idea (while an interesting one) completely reverses the original intention. Plus, we really don't need anymore single use dominants. Doubt and Glory of the Lord see little enough use as it is.

The end result of Babel was that the languages were confused because God was punishing people for doing the opposite of his command. The ability I gave it is no less "accurate" than that The Garden Tomb didn't actually ignore anything in Biblical times.
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Re: Demons and Angels and Misc
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2010, 10:09:47 AM »
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In its current editing, it could cause your opponent to consistently lose whatever color defense he/she planned on playing...interesting..both card ideas are very interesting indeed.
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Re: Demons and Angels and Misc
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2010, 11:44:51 AM »
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Quote from: TechnoEthicist on February 02, 2010, 10:09:47 AM
In its current editing, it could cause your opponent to consistently lose whatever color defense he/she planned on playing...interesting..both card ideas are very interesting indeed.
Yeah, I like the idea but I'd say "Your evil character"

as for entrapping, I would make it protect from rescue except by heroes with no SA.
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Re: Demons and Angels and Misc
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2010, 12:38:25 PM »
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Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on February 02, 2010, 11:44:51 AM
as for entrapping, I would make it protect from rescue except by heroes with no SA.
Excellent idea! Added.
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Re: Demons and Angels and Misc
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2010, 12:55:05 PM »
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Tower of Babel needs to be clarified, I'm not sure what EC is being converted.

<Nameless Demon> just adds to TD awesomeness.  I like it :D

Entrap the Innocents is really cool, but probably OP'D.  Not too OP'D though.
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Re: Demons and Angels and Misc
« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2010, 01:23:45 PM »
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Unless more people agree that BubbleBoy's version is better, I'm keeping the one in the first post, so please comment on that one (unless you're saying that BubbleBoy's is better, of course :P).
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