Author Topic: Death of satan. (Read 12487 times)

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #50 on:** March 25, 2010, 08:27:09 PM »

Quote from: xCaLeBx on March 25, 2010, 08:21:48 PM

PK homeschoolers hehehehehehe good luck getting a date.

I love how we are randomly spawning debate threads out of things like the utter wyn thread and this one

haha, I think it's my fault...

as for the dating question, that was awesome. but I'm not trying to date, so...

Quote from: RED on March 25, 2010, 08:25:30 PM

Sometimes you have to have FAITH sometimes you don't need proof like with the Bible.

where is that in the Bible?

Red · « **Reply #51 on:** March 25, 2010, 08:29:28 PM »

@ Ring Wraith I hope you were kidding.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #52 on:** March 25, 2010, 08:31:56 PM »

Quote from: RED on March 25, 2010, 08:29:28 PM

@ Ring Wraith I hope you were kidding.

not at all. I believe that God is the ultimate source of truth, not faith. I believe that God has revealed himself through his word. (and I can back these up with scripture if you would like)

Red · « **Reply #53 on:** March 25, 2010, 08:33:10 PM »

One has to have faith for eveything. even athisists have faith. i have faith in God. chirstanty is based on faith.

xCaLeBx · « **Reply #54 on:** March 25, 2010, 08:34:41 PM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on March 25, 2010, 08:31:56 PM

Quote from: RED on March 25, 2010, 08:29:28 PM
@ Ring Wraith I hope you were kidding.
not at all. I believe that God is the ultimate source of truth, not faith. I believe that God has revealed himself through his word. (and I can back these up with scripture if you would like)

Oh yeah well I can prove (with the bible) that theres a horrible pain in my groin but that doesn't make it right

ah the snarkiness today has been fantastic

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #55 on:** March 25, 2010, 08:35:47 PM »

Quote from: RED on March 25, 2010, 08:33:10 PM

One has to have faith even athisists have faith.

but of course. I do have faith. I have faith that God exists. and because I have faith that He exists, I believe that He is the ultimate authority. and because I believe that He's the ultimate authority, I believe that what He says is truth. and I have faith that the Bible is how He reveals His word to us. it's based on faith, but faith is not where the truth comes from.

Red · « **Reply #56 on:** March 25, 2010, 08:36:31 PM »

wow RW we belive basiclly the same thing.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #57 on:** March 25, 2010, 08:38:27 PM »

Quote from: RED on March 25, 2010, 08:36:31 PM

wow RW we belive basiclly the same thing.

except that I base my beliefs on the Bible, not on faith.

Red · « **Reply #58 on:** March 25, 2010, 08:40:34 PM »

i base mine on the bible but you need faith as well.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #59 on:** March 25, 2010, 08:42:05 PM »

Quote from: RED on March 25, 2010, 08:40:34 PM

i base mine on the bible but you need faith as well.

Bible>Faith. I'm not saying you don't, I'm just saying that I base all my beliefs on the Bible. and because of that, faith should not contradict the Bible.

Red · « **Reply #60 on:** March 25, 2010, 08:45:35 PM »

chistans in mulsem countrys most likey means they don't have a bible so they HAVE to base there bielfs on faith.

P.S:if this doesn't make sense then tell me.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #61 on:** March 25, 2010, 08:49:54 PM »

Quote from: RED on March 25, 2010, 08:45:35 PM

chistans in mulsem countrys most likey means they don't have a bible so they HAVE to base there bielfs on faith.

P.S:if this doesn't make sense then tell me.

that doesn't make sense. except for the P.S. lemme see if I can translate...

"Christians in Muslim countries most likely don't have a Bible, so they have to base their beliefs on faith."

ahh, I understand that. spelling is a good thing. anyway...

false. they cannot become Christians without the Bible to tell them how (or somebody telling them the gospel message and blah blah blah...). Faith without the Bible is how heresy begins. a Muslim-turned-Christian better not have faith on certain beliefs without validating them with the Bible. that's how heresy begins.
and that's redundant. that's redundant.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #62 on:** March 25, 2010, 09:44:54 PM »

Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. Without the latter (the bible) the former (Faith) can't happen.

Quote from: xCaLeBx on March 25, 2010, 08:21:48 PM

PK homeschoolers hehehehehehe good luck getting a date.

My GF is a PK Homeschooler tyvm

Quote from: RED on March 25, 2010, 08:15:49 PM

I'm homeschooled too so were equel. PK plus HS means pwnage.

100% wrong. I know of a PK (not my gf) or two that was HS'd and isn't that well versed in the bible.

1 This doesn't matter anyways.
2 The chasm in Rich man + Lazarus is Abraham's busom NOT heaven so that story is moot as well.

Red · « **Reply #63 on:** March 25, 2010, 09:50:17 PM »

why do people think i'm dumb?(siesouly guys knock it off i know more than you think i do)

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #64 on:** March 25, 2010, 09:52:45 PM »

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on March 25, 2010, 09:44:54 PM

Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. Without the latter (the bible) the former (Faith) can't happen.
Quote from: xCaLeBx on March 25, 2010, 08:21:48 PM
PK homeschoolers hehehehehehe good luck getting a date.
My GF is a PK Homeschooler tyvm

I'm pretty sure he was referring to guys not having much luck in that area. Girl PK/Homeschoolers are more awesome than that.

Quote from: RED on March 25, 2010, 09:50:17 PM

why do people think i'm dumb?(siesouly guys knock it off i know more than you think i do)

I never said you were, and honestly, I don't think you are. although, I do think that you think that your pious, something that would be good to stay away from. I'm just asking you to start thinking with your mind instead of with your heart. I understand though, I was there too for a long time in my life. not stupid, just flawed. but aren't we all?

Red · « **Reply #65 on:** March 25, 2010, 09:54:27 PM »

we are flawed.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #66 on:** March 25, 2010, 09:55:50 PM »

Quote from: RED on March 25, 2010, 09:54:27 PM

we are flawed.

exactly. we're just trying to help you smooth out some edges. arguements are won with more than faith.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #67 on:** March 25, 2010, 09:57:08 PM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on March 25, 2010, 09:55:50 PM

Quote from: RED on March 25, 2010, 09:54:27 PM
we are flawed.
exactly. we're just trying to help you smooth out some edges. arguements are won with more than faith.

Exactly, none of us think you are dumb, we think you saying PK + HS = Better than others is arrogant, rude and unneeded. Make sense?

franta012 · « **Reply #68 on:** March 25, 2010, 09:57:32 PM »

This is really becoming a...
FLAME WAR FTW!!!!eleven!!!??!!!11!!!1///111//!!!!!one!!!!!

Anyway...
Actually, I disagree RR & Ring Wraith. For several centuries the church existed without a bound Bible like we have today. I think it's possible to have faith without it. I know you'll probably hound me on sources - I don't have any. And I should probably do my Speech homework instead of looking it up, sorry!

Red · « **Reply #69 on:** March 25, 2010, 09:59:51 PM »

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on March 25, 2010, 09:57:08 PM

Quote from: Ring Wraith on March 25, 2010, 09:55:50 PM
Quote from: RED on March 25, 2010, 09:54:27 PM
we are flawed.
exactly. we're just trying to help you smooth out some edges. arguements are won with more than faith.
Exactly, none of us think you are dumb, we think you saying PK + HS = Better than others is arrogant, rude and unneeded. Make sense?

i was kidding sheesh rr.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #70 on:** March 25, 2010, 10:00:42 PM »

pretty sure commucate has something to do with communism...

lolz Sauron, you know me too well. just remember, I know where you live. don't try to diss the Homeschoolers.

Quote from: RED on March 25, 2010, 09:59:51 PM

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on March 25, 2010, 09:57:08 PM
Quote from: Ring Wraith on March 25, 2010, 09:55:50 PM
Quote from: RED on March 25, 2010, 09:54:27 PM
we are flawed.
exactly. we're just trying to help you smooth out some edges. arguements are won with more than faith.
Exactly, none of us think you are dumb, we think you saying PK + HS = Better than others is arrogant, rude and unneeded. Make sense?
i was kidding sheesh rr.

well, in case you weren't, we just wanted to make sure...

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #71 on:** March 25, 2010, 10:02:22 PM »

Slippy: Using the

emote lets people know you are kidding!
Falco: Sheesh Fox! I thought you knew that one already!
Peppy: Do a barrel roll!

Quote from: franta012 on March 25, 2010, 09:57:32 PM

FLAME WAR FTW!!!!eleven!!!??!!!11!!!1///111//!!!!!one!!!!!

Anyway...
Actually, I disagree RR & Ring Wraith. For several centuries the church existed without a bound Bible like we have today. I think it's possible to have faith without it. I know you'll probably hound me on sources - I don't have any. And I should probably do my Speech homework instead of looking it up, sorry!

They did lack the NT but they had the OT and that was just as much the bible.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #72 on:** March 25, 2010, 10:06:55 PM »

Quote from: franta012 on March 25, 2010, 09:57:32 PM

FLAME WAR FTW!!!!eleven!!!??!!!11!!!1///111//!!!!!one!!!!!

Anyway...
Actually, I disagree RR & Ring Wraith. For several centuries the church existed without a bound Bible like we have today. I think it's possible to have faith without it. I know you'll probably hound me on sources - I don't have any. And I should probably do my Speech homework instead of looking it up, sorry!

stupid edit button. who needs it?

yes and no. centuries? no. but the story was told by eye-witnesses. that was back when the Bible was in development. so yes, you are correct, it's possible to have faith without it, but no, it's still not right to come up with notions that are not based on it. otherwise, there's no way to prevent heresies. the Trinity was a heresy for awhile...

franta012 · « **Reply #73 on:** March 25, 2010, 10:20:52 PM »

Quote from: Colin Michael on January 31, 2009, 05:29:44 PM

It's commonly known historical fact that the Bible was not bound together until 400ADish.

Long live Colin. No arguing that logic.

sheesh I'm kidding!

Oh, and this:

Quote from: EmJayBee83 on January 31, 2009, 07:15:02 PM

Quote from: BubbleBoy on January 31, 2009, 06:42:29 PM
Think long and hard - if it weren't for the Bible would you - or anyone else for that matter - know about God?
Yes, precisely because the primary revelation of the Creator is not Scripture but creation.

Quote from: Romans 1:18-20
The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

If you are saying that you can only come to know God through the Bible, you are in essence denying either God's righteousness or His justice. After all how could a just God wipe out the whole world for their iniquities (Noah, ark, etc.) if there was no Bible around to let them know they had sinned.

This is all from the "What are you reading? (A quick poll.)" thread.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #74 on:** March 25, 2010, 11:05:05 PM »

A few thoughts on this thread.

1 - All theological beliefs should be checked with the Bible. Yes God Himself is the ultimate authority, but He won't contradict Himself, and the Bible gives us a good, consistent, measuring stick to see if everything lines up right.

2 - The Revelation 20:10-15 passage mentioned earlier is a good citation for showing that Hell will eventually be a place of eternal punishment for Satan and demons and people who refuse to accept Jesus' salvation.

3 - The story of the Rich man and Lazarus is not as good a citation for describing what Hell is like. Firstly it appears to be a parable (although perhaps not, since it is the only one with a named character), and Jesus' parables are often figurative. Secondly it appears to be describing the waiting place where people go after death and before the Judgement Day. For those of you who don't believe that there are people who have died and are still waiting to go to Heaven read Revelation 6:9-11, and then do a bit of research on the Bosom of Abraham or Sheol versus Gehenna.

4 - All the flame war / appeals to the memory of Colin / homeschoolers vs. PKs / etc. is unnecessary.

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