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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Redemption® Resources and Thinktank => New Card Ideas => Topic started by: TDK on March 23, 2010, 08:30:48 AM
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Death of satan
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4/4, or 9/9 if there is a demon in battle
discard all evil cards connected to demons and beast.
i forgot the verse but i know its somewere in Revelation.
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unbibical satan deoesn't die he is tossed in hell for an eternity.
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unbibical satan deoesn't die he is tossed in hell for an eternity.
ok i looked ur right he dose not die he is tortuured for ever so here is my new card idea.
torturing of satan
silver
4/4 or 8/9 if there is a demon in battle
set aside all demons beast and false prophets in play for 3 three turns. on return all demons beast and false prophets set aside decreese by 6/6.
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OP'd, we have enough mass destruction of demons.
The second one I like though, only cuz I could make a 4/6 POTW>
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The second one I like though, only cuz I could make a 4/6 POTW>
Bah, just use Worship of Milcom for that. Make a 1/1 PotW. ;)
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The second one I like though, only cuz I could make a 4/6 POTW>
Bah, just use Worship of Milcom for that. Make a 1/1 PotW. ;)
what dose potw mean?
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1) its Does
2) PotW stands for Prince of this World.
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So Satan has eternal life?
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I wouldn't call burning in hell "life".
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I would. Living is life.
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But it's worse than dieing so it 's basiclly death.
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But it's worse than dieing so it 's basiclly death.
Show me a verse where it says Satan is tortured forever.
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But it's worse than dieing so it 's basiclly death.
No. Death is death. Torture is not death. If he is tortured forever and ever, he is living forever and ever.
God is life, so being separated from him would be death.
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drb it's a second death read john 3:16 then tell me if going to hell is not death.
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But it's worse than dieing so it 's basiclly death.
No. Death is death. Torture is not death. If he is tortured forever and ever, he is living forever and ever.
God is life, so being separated from him would be death.
Please show me a verse where it says that Satan is tortured forever.
drb it's a second death read john 3:16 then tell me if going to hell is not death.
If you die in hell, that is the second death. John 3:16 says that "whosoever believes in him should not PERISH but have everlasting life".
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revalation 20:10 read that drb.
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I stand corrected. Sorry for my misunderstanding :)
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which also is connected to the common misconception that Satan is the one torturing people down there. but he himself is one of the tortured.
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*Thinks of thousand of The Far Side comics...*
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But it's worse than dieing so it 's basiclly death.
No. Death is death. Torture is not death. If he is tortured forever and ever, he is living forever and ever.
God is life, so being separated from him would be death.
You're not separated from God anywhere.
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But it's worse than dieing so it 's basiclly death.
No. Death is death. Torture is not death. If he is tortured forever and ever, he is living forever and ever.
God is life, so being separated from him would be death.
You're not separated from God anywhere.
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hell being seperation from God is another common misconception. I wonder who started all of these?
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Hell is separation from the LORD. Jesus is the way to get back to God. When man fell at the garden of Eden we were separted from God. Adam and Eve walked with God so before the Fall, man was with God in the cool of the evening. So yes Hell is separation from God.
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Hell is seaparation from the LORD. Jesus is the way to get back to God. When man fell at the garden of Eden we were separted from God. Adam and Eve walked with God so before the Fall, man was with God in the cool of the evening. So yes Hell is separation from God.
back those statements up with scripture and I might believe you.
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which ones?
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Have ur own beliefs! THIS IS THE SAME AS COLIN
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God did walk with man genesis 3:8-24 mainly verse 8.
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Have ur own beliefs! THIS IS THE SAME AS COLIN
Chill out, it's a theological debate. At the moment, it's a relatively calm one too.
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I'v backed my opions with scipture but none else has. I win debate?
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Hell is seaparation from the LORD.Citation Needed Jesus is the way to get back to God. When man fell at the garden of Eden we were separted from God. Adam and Eve walked with God so before the Fall, man was with God in the cool of the evening. So yes Hell is separation from God.Citation Needed
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In Hell can you commucate with God? No. There's your Citation.
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In Hell can you commucate with God? No.[citation needed] There's your Citation.
Please note this post is a joke...
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That's not a citation, and I'll even give you a counterargument with a citation. Lazarus and the Rich Man are obviously able to communicate, so unless you're suggesting that Abraham was in hell too, it's clearly not cut of from the rest of eternity.
In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side.
So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'
"But Abraham replied, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony.
Luke 16:23-25. (To everyone except RED, I know the rebuttal to this argument argument so save your time, but perhaps now he'll see what a citation is).
In addition, the Bible directly says that those being tormented in the lake of fire are in the presence of the Lamb.
A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: "If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name."
Revelation 14:9-11
Your argument is totally invalid unless you give some very convincing counterarguments.
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That's not a citation, and I'll even give you a counterargument with a citation. Lazarus and the Rich Man are obviously able to communicate, so unless you're suggesting that Abraham was in hell too, it's clearly not cut of from the rest of eternity.
In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side.
So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'
"But Abraham replied, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony.
Luke 16:23-25. (To everyone except RED, I know the rebuttal to this argument argument so save your time, but perhaps now he'll see what a citation is).
In addition, the Bible directly says that those being tormented in the lake of fire are in the presence of the Lamb.
A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: "If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name."
Revelation 14:9-11
Your argument is totally invalid unless you give some very convincing counterarguments.
it went from a card idea to a debate wow!
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While I did post that only a little while ago I have since learned that you can pray in Hell but it does no good so while you get that little agument in the end I'm kinda right and so are you. We tie the debate.
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While I did post that only a little while ago I have since learned that you can pray in Hell but it does no good so while you get that little agument in the end I'm kinda right and so are you. We tie the debate.
i believe that in Hell u can cry out to God but the point of Hell is totall seperation from God so he will not hear you. Jesus went into Hell but not to save so the prencence of God could be there but not for salvation once ur there ur there. Me and my dad agree on this.
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While I did post that only a little while ago I have since learned that you can pray in Hell but it does no good so while you get that little agument in the end I'm kinda right and so are you. We tie the debate.
no, you lose. God's word>RED's word. Pol used it, you did not. you're going off of everything you've been told, but as said earlier, it's a (common) misconception.
While I did post that only a little while ago I have since learned that you can pray in Hell but it does no good so while you get that little agument in the end I'm kinda right and so are you. We tie the debate.
i believe that in Hell u can cry out to God but the point of Hell is totall seperation from God so he will not hear you. Jesus went into Hell but not to save so the prencence of God could be there but not for salvation once ur there ur there. Me and my dad agree on this.
fail. back that up with scripture and see if God, you, and your dad will agree on it.
Jesus said "Today you will be with me in Paradise." pretty sure Paradise isn't hell. if you really need me to look up the exact quote and the reference, I will.
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i believe that in Hell u can cry out to God but the point of Hell is totall seperation from GodCitation Needed so he will not hear you.
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this citation needed thing could become a new meme! epic!
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I'v backed up all but my last saying so I'd say I'm useing sciptiture also my dad is babtist preacher so I'm more knolegdealbe than you think.
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I'v backed up all but my last saying so I'd say I'm useing sciptiture also my dad is babtist preacher so I'm more knolegdealbe than you think.
I've yet to see one quote from the Bible.
and my dad was an Evengelical pastor and is now a Children's pastor. just because your a PK doesn't make you more pious then anybody else.
and Pol and I are both homeschooled, which, IMO, beats PK. I know a number of PK's who've rejected God.
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I'm homeschooled too so were equel. PK plus HS means pwnage. Also praying in hell is part of the Rich man and Lazurus thing. Have you read my refences? I posted scipture refs.
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I'm homeschooled too so were equel. PK plus HS means pwnage. Also praying in hell is part of the Rich man and Lazurus thing. have you read my refences? i posted scipture refs.
God did walk with man genesis 3:8-24 mainly verse 8.
this is the only one I see... and it isn't even talking about any of that. it's talking about God walking with man. but that was physical relation. we're all seperated now. until death...
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Then when you get to Hell your petty much separated. You could pray but to no avail.
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Then when you get to Hell your petty much separated. You could pray but to no avail.
again, I fail to see any biblical back up for this statement. just because you're a PK Homeschooler doesn't make you any more authoritive. all statements must be backed by the Bible.
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Read the story of the Rich man and lazurus story He's prays but probly to no avail.
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PK homeschoolers hehehehehehe good luck getting a date.
I love how we are randomly spawning debate threads out of things like the utter wyn thread and this one
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Read the story of the Rich man and lazurus story He's prays but probly to no avail.
sorry for a double post but..........................probably.......you can't go to court and say welllll he prolly didn't do it...I demand concrete evidence
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Care to address my second citation? The burden of proof is on you now, and you've provided none.
@Caleb, homeschool 4eva.
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Sometimes you have to have FAITH sometimes you don't need proof like with the Bible.
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@Caleb, homeschool 4eva.
definately homeschool 4eva...PK....neva! ( and I'm a HS that gets date so Ha!) <that wasn't to Pol more of I can see me being quoted on that up their and then me being homeschooled and yeah..................................anyways
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PK homeschoolers hehehehehehe good luck getting a date.
I love how we are randomly spawning debate threads out of things like the utter wyn thread and this one
haha, I think it's my fault...
as for the dating question, that was awesome. but I'm not trying to date, so...
Sometimes you have to have FAITH sometimes you don't need proof like with the Bible.
where is that in the Bible? :D
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@ Ring Wraith I hope you were kidding.
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@ Ring Wraith I hope you were kidding.
not at all. I believe that God is the ultimate source of truth, not faith. I believe that God has revealed himself through his word. (and I can back these up with scripture if you would like)
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One has to have faith for eveything. even athisists have faith. i have faith in God. chirstanty is based on faith.
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@ Ring Wraith I hope you were kidding.
not at all. I believe that God is the ultimate source of truth, not faith. I believe that God has revealed himself through his word. (and I can back these up with scripture if you would like)
Oh yeah well I can prove (with the bible) that theres a horrible pain in my groin but that doesn't make it right :-X
ah the snarkiness today has been fantastic
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One has to have faith even athisists have faith.
but of course. I do have faith. I have faith that God exists. and because I have faith that He exists, I believe that He is the ultimate authority. and because I believe that He's the ultimate authority, I believe that what He says is truth. and I have faith that the Bible is how He reveals His word to us. it's based on faith, but faith is not where the truth comes from.
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wow RW we belive basiclly the same thing.
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wow RW we belive basiclly the same thing.
except that I base my beliefs on the Bible, not on faith.
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i base mine on the bible but you need faith as well.
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i base mine on the bible but you need faith as well.
Bible>Faith. I'm not saying you don't, I'm just saying that I base all my beliefs on the Bible. and because of that, faith should not contradict the Bible.
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chistans in mulsem countrys most likey means they don't have a bible so they HAVE to base there bielfs on faith.
P.S:if this doesn't make sense then tell me.
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chistans in mulsem countrys most likey means they don't have a bible so they HAVE to base there bielfs on faith.
P.S:if this doesn't make sense then tell me.
that doesn't make sense. except for the P.S. lemme see if I can translate...
"Christians in Muslim countries most likely don't have a Bible, so they have to base their beliefs on faith."
ahh, I understand that. spelling is a good thing. anyway...
false. they cannot become Christians without the Bible to tell them how (or somebody telling them the gospel message and blah blah blah...). Faith without the Bible is how heresy begins. a Muslim-turned-Christian better not have faith on certain beliefs without validating them with the Bible. that's how heresy begins.
and that's redundant. that's redundant.
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Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. Without the latter (the bible) the former (Faith) can't happen.
PK homeschoolers hehehehehehe good luck getting a date.
My GF is a PK Homeschooler tyvm ;)
I'm homeschooled too so were equel. PK plus HS means pwnage.
100% wrong. I know of a PK (not my gf) or two that was HS'd and isn't that well versed in the bible.
1 This doesn't matter anyways.
2 The chasm in Rich man + Lazarus is Abraham's busom NOT heaven so that story is moot as well.
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why do people think i'm dumb?(siesouly guys knock it off i know more than you think i do)
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Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. Without the latter (the bible) the former (Faith) can't happen.
PK homeschoolers hehehehehehe good luck getting a date.
My GF is a PK Homeschooler tyvm ;)
I'm pretty sure he was referring to guys not having much luck in that area. Girl PK/Homeschoolers are more awesome than that.
why do people think i'm dumb?(siesouly guys knock it off i know more than you think i do)
I never said you were, and honestly, I don't think you are. although, I do think that you think that your pious, something that would be good to stay away from. I'm just asking you to start thinking with your mind instead of with your heart. I understand though, I was there too for a long time in my life. not stupid, just flawed. but aren't we all?
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we are flawed.
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we are flawed.
exactly. we're just trying to help you smooth out some edges. arguements are won with more than faith.
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we are flawed.
exactly. we're just trying to help you smooth out some edges. arguements are won with more than faith.
Exactly, none of us think you are dumb, we think you saying PK + HS = Better than others is arrogant, rude and unneeded. Make sense?
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This is really becoming a...
FLAME WAR FTW!!!!eleven!!!??!!!11!!!1///111//!!!!!one!!!!!
Anyway...
Actually, I disagree RR & Ring Wraith. For several centuries the church existed without a bound Bible like we have today. I think it's possible to have faith without it. I know you'll probably hound me on sources - I don't have any. And I should probably do my Speech homework instead of looking it up, sorry! :)
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we are flawed.
exactly. we're just trying to help you smooth out some edges. arguements are won with more than faith.
Exactly, none of us think you are dumb, we think you saying PK + HS = Better than others is arrogant, rude and unneeded. Make sense?
i was kidding sheesh rr.
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pretty sure commucate has something to do with communism...
lolz Sauron, you know me too well. just remember, I know where you live. don't try to diss the Homeschoolers.
we are flawed.
exactly. we're just trying to help you smooth out some edges. arguements are won with more than faith.
Exactly, none of us think you are dumb, we think you saying PK + HS = Better than others is arrogant, rude and unneeded. Make sense?
i was kidding sheesh rr.
well, in case you weren't, we just wanted to make sure...
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Slippy: Using the ;) emote lets people know you are kidding!
Falco: Sheesh Fox! I thought you knew that one already!
Peppy: Do a barrel roll!
FLAME WAR FTW!!!!eleven!!!??!!!11!!!1///111//!!!!!one!!!!!
Anyway...
Actually, I disagree RR & Ring Wraith. For several centuries the church existed without a bound Bible like we have today. I think it's possible to have faith without it. I know you'll probably hound me on sources - I don't have any. And I should probably do my Speech homework instead of looking it up, sorry! :)
They did lack the NT but they had the OT and that was just as much the bible.
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FLAME WAR FTW!!!!eleven!!!??!!!11!!!1///111//!!!!!one!!!!!
Anyway...
Actually, I disagree RR & Ring Wraith. For several centuries the church existed without a bound Bible like we have today. I think it's possible to have faith without it. I know you'll probably hound me on sources - I don't have any. And I should probably do my Speech homework instead of looking it up, sorry! :)
stupid edit button. who needs it? :P
yes and no. centuries? no. but the story was told by eye-witnesses. that was back when the Bible was in development. so yes, you are correct, it's possible to have faith without it, but no, it's still not right to come up with notions that are not based on it. otherwise, there's no way to prevent heresies. the Trinity was a heresy for awhile...
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It's commonly known historical fact that the Bible was not bound together until 400ADish.
Long live Colin. No arguing that logic. 8) sheesh I'm kidding!
Oh, and this:
Think long and hard - if it weren't for the Bible would you - or anyone else for that matter - know about God?
Yes, precisely because the primary revelation of the Creator is not Scripture but creation.
The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
If you are saying that you can only come to know God through the Bible, you are in essence denying either God's righteousness or His justice. After all how could a just God wipe out the whole world for their iniquities (Noah, ark, etc.) if there was no Bible around to let them know they had sinned.
This is all from the "What are you reading? (A quick poll.)" thread.
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A few thoughts on this thread.
1 - All theological beliefs should be checked with the Bible. Yes God Himself is the ultimate authority, but He won't contradict Himself, and the Bible gives us a good, consistent, measuring stick to see if everything lines up right.
2 - The Revelation 20:10-15 passage mentioned earlier is a good citation for showing that Hell will eventually be a place of eternal punishment for Satan and demons and people who refuse to accept Jesus' salvation.
3 - The story of the Rich man and Lazarus is not as good a citation for describing what Hell is like. Firstly it appears to be a parable (although perhaps not, since it is the only one with a named character), and Jesus' parables are often figurative. Secondly it appears to be describing the waiting place where people go after death and before the Judgement Day. For those of you who don't believe that there are people who have died and are still waiting to go to Heaven read Revelation 6:9-11, (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%206:9-11&version=NIV) and then do a bit of research on the Bosom of Abraham (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosom_of_Abraham#in_the_New_Testament) or Sheol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheol#Sheol_in_the_New_Testament) versus Gehenna. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gehenna#in_the_New_Testament)
4 - All the flame war / appeals to the memory of Colin / homeschoolers vs. PKs / etc. is unnecessary.
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the other Prof's point 1 is the number one issue here. I agree with him.
number 2 issue is if Hell is seperation from God, which Prof didn't address, although he did address who Hell is for (see points 2 and 3, both of which I agree with)
number 3 issue is whether Colin should be remembered, which his point 4 deals with. long live Colin. (and it isn't homeschoolers vs. PK, it's just the fact that RED was boasting of being a PK homeschooler, thus he's smart, which didn't really work, considering the people he was debating against were also homeschooled, and I am a PK...)
number 4 issue is faith without Bible.
I like MJB's comment. good find sire. but while we have the Bible, we should use it as the ultimate source of truth. it is after all, what MJB is relying his comment on.
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i thought this debate was over...
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i thought this debate was over...
haha, you're right. the debate is over. CLEARLY, Colin should never be forgotten.
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Death of Satan
Silver
Tear all demons in play and player's decks in half. Cannot be negated
Gates of Hell (reprint)
At any time you may pay your opponent $1 to tape any demon card together and place underneath draw pile. Cannot be negated. Plays to set aside
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Death of Satan
Dominant
Begin four flame wars simultaniously. No Family Buisness can be played.