Author Topic: Covenant of Conquering (Read 4701 times)

Minister Polarius · « **on:** February 13, 2011, 05:21:38 PM »

Covenant of Conquering
7/0 Silver Covenant
"If a Rescue Attempt in which no Hero had initiative and no Enhancements were played fails, rescuing Hero may redeem a Lost Soul from defender's Land of Bondage following battle."
~Revelation 2:7

The M · « **Reply #1 on:** February 13, 2011, 05:49:34 PM »

Uzzah-killer HUZZAH!

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #2 on:** February 13, 2011, 06:00:02 PM »

It's in a FbtN brigade, but I still like it. I'll bet the wording could be better...

SomeKittens · « **Reply #3 on:** February 13, 2011, 06:18:23 PM »

Quote from: The M on February 13, 2011, 05:49:34 PM

Uzzah-killer HUZZAH!

Problem is, Uzzah is protecting them. Unless this somehow works in the post-battle phase.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #4 on:** February 13, 2011, 11:19:19 PM »

I'd put a limit or cost on it too.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #5 on:** February 13, 2011, 11:41:27 PM »

Edited to get around the fact of the protection. I didn't put a limit or cost on it since it pretty much only stops Uzzah (an OP card), Trembling Demon, BBN and SSS.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #6 on:** February 14, 2011, 09:22:58 AM »

Egyptian Warden/Otho/Zimri as well.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #7 on:** February 14, 2011, 09:25:54 AM »

Those three all surrender initiative.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #8 on:** February 14, 2011, 09:26:41 AM »

Ahh, right, I missed that at first. I approve of this card either way.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #9 on:** February 15, 2011, 12:01:14 PM »

Yeah, I think you either need to add the condition of an evil character blocking or add a cost to this card, because a RA + CM combo is now a soul-winner with this card.

Also, how would this combine with Grapes or The Long Day?

The Guardian · « **Reply #10 on:** February 15, 2011, 12:42:04 PM »

I like the concept but it seems that the ability would be better served in a brigade that doesn't have a FBTN Hero (whereas Silver has 2 plus Consuming Fire), such as White.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #11 on:** February 15, 2011, 01:12:16 PM »

Quote from: The Guardian on February 15, 2011, 12:42:04 PM

I like the concept but it seems that the ability would be better served in a brigade that doesn't have a FBTN Hero (whereas Silver has 2 plus Consuming Fire), such as White.

Why? It's a covenant...

SomeKittens · « **Reply #12 on:** February 15, 2011, 02:09:05 PM »

FBTN stops Uzzah, which is one of the main points of this card.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #13 on:** February 15, 2011, 04:15:24 PM »

Quote from: Master Q on February 15, 2011, 10:51:14 AM

Woot! This would go in every deck I make, mainly because I attack, they block smaller, I CM my hero and get to rescue a LS(maybe the other half of a 2-liner )! The best part is if they CM me after I drop AotL, I get to rescue(assuming they had init)! Rescuing souls because of CM!

I'm fine with that. It's kind of in the theme of CM, and would perhaps encourage defenses that aren't entirely comprised of initiative characters. It'd also be good for head games, since if you block higher than the Hero it voids CoC but leaves you open.

I had it in Silver because the verse is talking about Heaven, and I don't mind another big offense Enhancement for Silver to use since it's so bad right now.

lightningninja · « **Reply #14 on:** February 15, 2011, 04:49:26 PM »

I feel like this card is broken in ways I can't think of. I'm sure with choose the blocker, there is some broken combo you could come up with. Sounds good from what I can think of though.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #15 on:** February 15, 2011, 04:59:38 PM »

It's only broken in T2, but we'll errata it anyway.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #16 on:** February 15, 2011, 05:34:54 PM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on February 15, 2011, 02:09:05 PM

FBTN stops Uzzah, which is one of the main points of this card.

Your point? I can use a Covenant in any deck just fine.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #17 on:** February 15, 2011, 06:19:57 PM »

Quote from: lightningninja on February 15, 2011, 04:49:26 PM

I feel like this card is broken in ways I can't think of. I'm sure with choose the blocker, there is some broken combo you could come up with. Sounds good from what I can think of though.

Remember it only kicks in if you lose the RA. CTB wouldn't be able to abuse it. But keep trying to think of ways it could be broken (and say what they are...*cough*).

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #18 on:** February 15, 2011, 06:23:06 PM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on February 15, 2011, 06:19:57 PM

Quote from: lightningninja on February 15, 2011, 04:49:26 PM
I feel like this card is broken in ways I can't think of. I'm sure with choose the blocker, there is some broken combo you could come up with. Sounds good from what I can think of though.
Remember it only kicks in if you lose the RA. CTB wouldn't be able to abuse it. But keep trying to think of ways it could be broken (and say what they are...*cough*).

CtB my Uzzah. Die and I get a soul or use the ability and I'll get a soul.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #19 on:** February 15, 2011, 06:24:42 PM »

Considering one of the main purposes of this card is to stop Uzzah abuse, I wouldn't say that's broken at all

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #20 on:** February 15, 2011, 06:25:43 PM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on February 15, 2011, 06:24:42 PM

Considering one of the main purposes of this card is to stop Uzzah abuse, I wouldn't say that's broken at all

You don't think it's broken to GURANTEE* a soul when Uzzah blocks in T2 via CtB?

*Other than Dom interference

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #21 on:** February 15, 2011, 06:28:57 PM »

What, no Brown Enhancements? If Uzzah's just a splash I say, good show sir! Use that to your advantage and get a free soul. When the potential for abuse comes from a super-broken card, the check isn't broken.

Basically, the whole point of this card is to make it more difficult to just splash Uzzah into any deck and get a fairly reliable easy block (2 with Torment, 5 in T2). If you find yourself being overrun by CTB'd Uzzahs from your territory, stop splashing so much Uzzah or use some Brown Enhancements.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #22 on:** February 15, 2011, 06:30:09 PM »

Oh, no, I meant I give my opponent either my Uzzah or TD via CtB with that card active and then reap the benefits.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #23 on:** February 15, 2011, 06:31:54 PM »

Wouldn't you just win anyway if you CTB'd a lower numbered character they had no Enhancements for?

lightningninja · « **Reply #24 on:** February 15, 2011, 06:39:16 PM »

Yeah. And you're right about choose the blocker... You'd either get initiative or they'd lose and you'd get a ls.

What you have to remember though is that winning the battle and having a successful rescue attempt are two different things. Burial on the ls you were going to rescue doesn't work in t2 if you have this out. Neither would sog/nj or any card that buries souls. It's definitely a powerful card... but I don't think it's broken.

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