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Were all assuming that because he did this sin that therefore he could not be considered a hero.  According to the Bible I see alot of people who we have as heros that could in alot of ways be villians and alot of people we have as villians who could in some ways be heros.  I see the biggest sin about Uzzahs situation was in fact David's sin.  Do I think Uzzah is innocent no but at the same time if we say Uzzah can't be a hero becuse of this situation I would say David shouldn't be a hero because he is the reason this all occured.  Just my two sense from a stubborn Pastor. 

we need SOME card to convert david, he messed up alot.

'So what I was saying was true...from a certain point of view.'

but at the same time if we say Uzzah can't be a hero becuse of this situation I would say David shouldn't be a hero because he is the reason this all occured.

Well, by that logic, since everyone sinned, everyone is an EC.  I say, if God actually killed you, you are an EC.  David is often called "a man after God's own heart."  I would say that he worked more good than evil, and is therefore a Hero.

I don't know about Joab meeting that qualification, but I think it's too late to reprint him for the sake of rebranding him as evil.  You would have to recall all the GC Joabs.

I don't know about the situation with Uzzah, but God decided he needed to die right then.  Whatever he did or was going to do was obviously inexcusable.  No matter what David did, you can't try to pin Uzzah's mistake on him.

I agree that if we judge GC vs. EC based on whether a person sinned, then every character in the game would have to be an EC.  However, I think that it is fair to say that looking at someone's life is judging from a human perspective.  I would also say that God's perspective trumps human perspective.

Therefore, although I agree that David did many evil things, and I would not judge him to be a great example of a believer based on human perspective, God saw him differently.  As has been mentioned, God said that David was "a man after His own heart".  Despite my personal feelings about David, I'm going to go with God and say he should be a GC.

As for Uzzah, I agree that it seems like he wasn't really so bad based on human perspective.  However, God saw him differently and killed him for it.  Despite my personal feelings about Uzzah, I'm going to go with God and say he should be a EC.

Historically, Pilate was in a no-win situation. He had not been the most popular of rulers up until that point, having done things to anger the Jews previously. He was in a "third-strike and you're out" position with his superiors. Pilate saw no fault in Jesus, and did not feel it right to execute him. You can even get the sense from the gospel narrative that he may have realized Jesus' supernatural nature.

He believed that he had found a way out of his predicament by offering the Jews a choice between Jesus and Barabbas. When the Jews chose Barabbas, it was either go back on his word and in all likeliness incite the mob to violence, or release Barabbas and crucify Jesus. I sympathize with Pilate, because he was caught in the middle of things far, far bigger than him, and caved into pressure. I doubt that any one of us would have handled the situation any differently. He hardly deserves his place among the hordes of evil, rubbing shoulders with Haman and Nero.

However, classifying him as a Hero is too far of a stretch to make. There is no evidence he ever became a believer, therefore his god was the Emperor. I think he deserves a reprint, but into the Gray brigade. One, because he's Roman, after all, and two because it's the brigade where "middle of the road" figures tend to end up.

I don't know if they printed Judas as an evil character or not. But, in my opinion he should be good. Sure he betrayed Christ, but if he hadn't Christ might not have died. If he didn't die he couldn't have been resurrected. Also as far as I can tell the apostles didn't realize who Jesus was until "after" he was resurrected.

Judas is evil
he was chosen because of the betrayal, i forget where, but it says he stole from the coin purse... he was the treasurer

I thought he was paid to betray Christ. Then he was so guilty he hung himself. But, before that he gave back the 30 pieces to the priests who used it to buy a potter's field.

Judas was the treasurer and it is widely suspected (maybe even mentioned in teh Bible but I don't know without looking) that he stole from the funds given.

Huh. Never heard that before.

Quote from: Prof Underwood on March 09, 2008, 09:48:13 PM

I agree that if we judge GC vs. EC based on whether a person sinned, then every character in the game would have to be an EC.  However, I think that it is fair to say that looking at someone's life is judging from a human perspective.  I would also say that God's perspective trumps human perspective.

Therefore, although I agree that David did many evil things, and I would not judge him to be a great example of a believer based on human perspective, God saw him differently.  As has been mentioned, God said that David was "a man after His own heart".  Despite my personal feelings about David, I'm going to go with God and say he should be a GC.

Another thought from God:
Ezekiel 18: 24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. 25 Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal? 26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.

Therefore, the reason Judas is an EC after being ordained an apostle.

David certainly fulfills the same conditions of life's course in rebellion against God. Since God is not a respector of persons, I would say a reprint of David could be like a Saul Paul Card with the multi-color being the evil brigade. GC special ability: When a woman is in your territory, convert David to EC. EC special ability: capture all women GCs in opponent's teritory. Discard Uriah.

I don't know if they printed Judas as an evil character or not. But, in my opinion he should be good. Sure he betrayed Christ, but if he hadn't Christ might not have died. If he didn't die he couldn't have been resurrected. Also as far as I can tell the apostles didn't realize who Jesus was until "after" he was resurrected.

Just FYI, Dante, they have two prints of Judas.  Both are evil Crimson, and the Priests version has a pretty awesome special ability.

What's the ability?

Wow, I didn't think it would get this big!

Matthew 26:23-24 (NIV)

Jesus replied " The one who has dipped his hand into the bowl with me will betray me". "The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him. But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born"

That is one verse, among many, that speaks of Judas' character. He tagged along as the treasurer and sucked funds from them. It is unclear whether he repented at the end, however, it is pretty clear in the Bible that he is not in a nice place right now. How is it that you think the man who betrayed the Son of God can be a hero? That just makes no sense. You can say he was used by God for a purpose, however, that by no means makes him a hero. God used a Thorn in the Flesh to show Paul his weakness so that God's strength can be shown-that does not mean that the Thorn was a good thing, on the contrary,
Paul says that it is a "messenger of Satan", and that it tormented him. To say that Judas was a hero would be ridiculous, if one has studied the Scriptures about him.

~Isaac

Intresting idea I am not sure though. Maybe something like King Saul?

Joab did bad, bad and more bad. I've always wondered why he was a Hero and Abner was an Evil Character.

But as for Balaam, he's an EC because even though he didn't go directly against God's word, he deliberately brought the Israelites into sin.