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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Redemption® Resources and Thinktank => New Card Ideas => Topic started by: Gabe on June 15, 2009, 12:34:54 AM
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Earlier this year I was inspired by fellow board member Platinum_Angel to design some alternate look Redemption cards. One concept I like as a means to highlight the card art is the boarderless card. I tried a couple different styles. One includes the scripture box and scripture. Another style is simpler and only includes the scripture reference.
Here are a couple examples:
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(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi692.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv289%2Fbriangabe%2FBoarderless%2520Nats%25202007%2520Deck%2FSoG-1.jpg&hash=c1eec75769d9b5bad3af246fae168486903b7edb)
I liked the second style best and used it to remake the cards used in the T1-2P 1st Place Nationals deck from 2007. Some cards have the original art and others use new art. If you’d like to take a look you can see the entire deck here (http://s692.photobucket.com/albums/vv289/briangabe/Boarderless%20Nats%202007%20Deck/?start=all) and there are a few additional boarderless cards in this album. (http://s692.photobucket.com/albums/vv289/briangabe/More%20Boarderless%20Cards/)
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Prince of this world is epic. I'd play those if they were ever released. xD Awesome job!
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King of Tyrus
Nightmare fuel at it's finest
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That is actually pretty awesome. The verseless version looks even cooler, although I do like having the verse there in the current card design.
Your cards kind of remind me of Blue Moon cards:
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That New Jerusalem is awesome. I would love playing with cards like these.
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Your version of Falling Away is a little too risque. The face on the SoG...hmm...it looks familiar. ;)
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The face on the SoG...hmm...it looks familiar. ;)
It's Adonijah with a haircut. That, or...
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I like them too. Prince of this world is awesome
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Wow. King of Tyrus. Kinda grusesome.
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These are awesome!!!
i like the son of God with the world in his hands
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Wow. King of Tyrus. Kinda grusesome.
Yeah, I realy do NOT like the art on KoT. Actually, the original Art for KoT is one of my favorite for Evil Characters.
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The SoG card looks so cool! :o
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If you extended the artwork on your own cards, would they still be tournament legal?
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Such a simple idea, but it looks absolutely amazing! Now you've got me wanting to design my own card game...
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Such a simple idea, but it looks absolutely amazing! Now you've got me wanting to design my own card game...
You should! You should also enter the contest to win a free pack of TeXP!!!
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I just saw that thread, and I plan on entering too... sounds exciting!
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HEY!
If you extended the artwork on your own cards, would they still be tournament legal?
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are these actually extended art cards, or did you simply use the original image and zoom it in enough to fit into the entire card?
i've seen alot of custom/alternate/extended art cards done in the mtg community for years, and this reminds me of those. im not exactly certain though if the custom mtg cards are legal in their tournaments...technically, the would weigh a little heavier from the extra medium applied to the card. awesome looking cards gabe. i would pay a premium to anyone that would do these for me (especially actual extended art cards), legal or not.
im still waiting for someone to do 3-d redemption cards...those look pretty sick, and can be done easily if someone took the time to do it.
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Just about every card I REALLY love, almost all of them more than the original... but kot... ouch. ;)
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yeah kot is a little bit disturbing lol. besides, hardly anything can beat eternal studios/cahaba artwork ;)
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I like Captain of the Host and the UFC match kicking off on Jacob. ;D
Godspeed,
Mike
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it would be REALLY awesome if cactus actually made these and offered them as uber rare inserts in packs (like, 1 per box!) or even as tournament winner prizes.
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Or if we started a counterpart to FNM.
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yeah that would be pretty cool...but thats practically the same thing as what our locals would be, right?
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If you extended the artwork on your own cards, would they still be tournament legal?
No idea. I think only Rob could make a decision like that. Emailing him would be the quickest way to get an answer. I doubt he's going to look at this thread.
are these actually extended art cards, or did you simply use the original image and zoom it in enough to fit into the entire card?
Both. For some of these I was able to find the original art so I had more freedom to make slight changes such as extending them. For others I had to just take a crop of the available art on the existing card. Obviously others got all new art too.
i would pay a premium to anyone that would do these for me (especially actual extended art cards), legal or not.
I have my entire deck printed and sleeved up for casual play. I don't think it's legal for me to sell you copies of the cards since I don't own the rights to the artwork though.
Just about every card I REALLY love, almost all of them more than the original... but kot... ouch. ;)
I agree with y'all that KoT is pretty sick. When I finished the project I wasn't really happy with the artwork for him or FSP. (I had used the original Faithful Servant artwork on FSP instead of the dude with the crown.) I found new artwork for FSP that I'm pretty happy with. I never did find anything I liked better for KoT. Unfortunately the original arkwork for KoT isn't available to the public that I can find. Anyone know where to get it?
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I have my entire deck printed and sleeved up for casual play. I don't think it's legal for me to sell you copies of the cards since I don't own the rights to the artwork though.
hmm. i remember before (maybe 6 or 7 years ago) the redemption community used to be heavy in creating and making custom redemption cards. actually, i think it was around the time that cactus kory was employed this started happening, because he made some pretty cool custom redemption cards (i think they were lotr related?) and everyone else started doing it as well. i know quadrate has a set of custom star wars redemption cards, and perhaps some matrix ones as well. i myself paid someone years ago to make a set of custom DDR cards for me. as far as legality, i dont think cactus minds as long as you get permission from rob first...at least, this was how it was done before.
oh also, when you say you have your deck printed and sleeved up, did you print off the new pics and glue it to the card, or did you send the entire card through a printer and had it printed directly onto the card?
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besides, hardly anything can beat eternal studios/cahaba artwork
Seriously. I dearly hope they used a few of those pieces for TexP.
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oh also, when you say you have your deck printed and sleeved up, did you print off the new pics and glue it to the card, or did you send the entire card through a printer and had it printed directly onto the card?
I printed them onto photo paper on a color laser printer, then cut them to size. I used double sticky tape to adhere them to those lovely white inserts that come in most booster packs. They look pretty good if I do say so myself. I guess if you wanted real Redemption backs you could always stick them to some extra limited cards. :D
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I guess if you wanted real Redemption backs you could always stick them to some extra limited cards. :D
This reminds me of PA states where I opened about 20 limited packs to get enough lost souls for Booster draft and some cards for my paper shredder. They were generously donated by Mike Berkenpas.
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hey,
You could buy 56 of the complete sets from Cactus and then find some way of printing directly on to the blank cards.
L8er,
Gil
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hey,
You could buy 56 of the complete sets from Cactus and then find some way of printing directly on to the blank cards.
L8er,
Gil
I believe some people have a massive amount of these as they are normally used as fillers for the demonstration display boxes.
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Those were really cool looking cards. I like them alot with out the border.
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By popular demand I took the time to redo King of Tyrus with the original artwork.
(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi692.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv289%2Fbriangabe%2FBoarderless%2520Nats%25202007%2520Deck%2FKingofTyrus.jpg&hash=35dfa6b269eab7bae58ef999f6c21bc3f0a229df)
I've also created a new album with some more boarderless cards. (http://s692.photobucket.com/albums/vv289/briangabe/More%20Boarderless%20Cards/)
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Nice! Where did you finally find the art?
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its from the comic book series archangels. cahaba productions might have some pics on their website.
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oh noes I can see that FS is a guy now ::)
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And I can see that Vengeance of Eternal Fire isn't just a random explosion!
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And I can see that Vengeance of Eternal Fire isn't just a random explosion!
Wow your right! Btw your comment made my day :)
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the cards are amazing.
is there any way we could see some of the ultras with a thin gold border around them
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"BORDERLESS redemption cards" ;)
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if you look at the "borderless" cards there is a thin line around the card.
i was just suggesting to make it gold instead...
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I think I like the borderless cards much better, but I also like having the scripture printed on the cards. One of my favorite things to do is to read the scripture on a character or enhancement that I like to learn a little bit about the card.
btw Gabe Boarderless means you have less Boarders (Boarders with an "a" are those who are boarded in a hotel room for the night or some place like that. Borders with an "o" are what is not on the edges of these cards. Borders are also along ccounties, towns, Nation-States and pictures that you use crayons to color where you are suppose to stay with in the "borders" or "Lines")
just sayin' ;)
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Huh, interesting point. I guess spell check doesn't catch mistakes like that. :)
Well, since I made them I guess I can call them what I want! :laugh: :laugh:
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Guardian would look awsome without a border!!!
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Guardian would look awsome without a border!!!
It does! It's in the deck I made. You can find a link on the first page.
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how did you make thise?
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I liked the art on the first borderless KoT. Yes...some may have thought it was disturbing, but then again we battle not against flesh and blood.
Just my 2 cents.
Godspeed,
Mike
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Absolutely stunning. Cactus Games needs to take notice. You've made the game into a work of art. This could be a very powerful evangelism tool. Pictures like these are worth thousands of words.
I like the first style for Old Testament cards (where the scripture verse is on a scroll/parchment) and the second style for New Testament cards (free-floating scripture verse).
The picture for Captain of the Host is totally awesome. But do we assume he is warrior-class because he has a sword and shield? (That sword is excellent too).
The picture of Simeon is quite simply amazing - it's the picture that SHOULD have been used.
If I could do this I'd quit my job and be a graphics designer.
I would be willing to pay for real quality cards that look like this.
I want to also add that I think it's important we keep the Scripture verse on the card. It was reading these verses then looking them up in the Bible which helped me come back to the Lord four or five years ago.
For example, for Simeon the verse should be - "Mine eyes have seen Thy Salvation, a light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of Thy people Israel." I think this is in St. Luke's gospel.
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I actually like the one WITH verses like Hur rather than without. added stuff to look at without being to crowded... My thoughts at least.
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The new Vengeance and Pergamum are rockin'. 8)
Kirk
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Gabe, these are completely awesome.
Does anyone else think it would be cool to have these cards using a holographic type/ability box? That would be completely smokin'.
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I was thinking about doing that for the "create a different format card contest." I tried it, and it looked really cool.
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I think the Self card should just be a mirror.
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I think the Self card should just be a mirror.
:rollin:
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I think the Self card should just be a mirror.
That would be EPIC!
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Wow, these cards look absolutely amazing! Simply beautiful.
I think the Self card should just be a mirror.
That is the best idea I have heard. Ever.
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Something I doubt anyone has thought of. Even if Cactus were to redesign Redemption cards, they would have to have the white border around the edge of the card. Why? Take it from a magician like me: You want that white border for gameplay. With an unsleeved deck, you can see the color of the card coming next. If neither the front or the back have a white border, you can have cards face-up in the deck and never know it until they come up to the top of the deck.
One of the reasons magicians always use decks with a white border on the back is that when a card is turned face-up in the deck, it won't show. If the cards have an all-over back design, the face-up card is obviously face-up in the middle of the deck (try it sometime).
Kevin Shride