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Babylonian Settlers
4/4 Crimson Evil Character
-Babylonian-
"Take an Israeli site from any opponent and place in your land of bondage. You may remove a lost soul from one of your sites and/or place a lost soul in new site immediately. If you do, you may exchange this Evil Character with another Evil Character in play."
-II Kings 17:24

Succothbenoth
Artifact
"When your Babylonian enters battle, you may shuffle your hand into your deck (minimum 4 cards) to return a Hero in battle to top of owner's deck."
-II Kings 17:29-30

Craftsmen Captured
2/2 Crimson Evil Enhancement
"If used by a Babylonian, Discard a Good Weapon to capture a Hero regardless of protection and immunity."
-II Kings 24:16

Judged by Babylon
0/7 Crimson Evil Enhancement | 7/0 Silver Good Enhancement
"Capture an Evil King regardless of Protection. Cannot be Negated."
-II Kings 25:7

Gedaliah
5/8 Brown Evil Character
-Governor of Judah-
"May band with a Babylonian. Protect the contents of one Site from Rescue unless opponent Discards a card from his territory."
-II Kings 25:24

Babylonian Ambassadors
2/2 Crimson Evil Character
-Babylonian-
"Negate one Good Fortress. Capture a Good King unless a Good Dominant is in play."
-II Chronicles 32:31

Golden City
1/5 Crimson Evil Enhancement
"Discard all Evil Characters and Sites in battle to either set all Heroes in battle aside for three turns or shuffle all lost souls held in Sites into owners' decks."
-Isiah 14:4

Babylon the Great
8/2 Crimson/Orange Evil Character
-Female, Demon-
"May band with a Demon or Female Evil character to Convert a Male Human Hero in a territory to a Black Evil Character."
-Revelation 17:5

Succothbenoth is one I'd never use. Slowing down yourself that significantly just to gain such a temporary advantage - all while using your artifact slot?

I think Gedaliah is good.

Golden City is interesting.

Babylon the Great isn't a demon, so drop the orange and the "demon" identifier.

Love them I guess I'm kind of biased but I would use almost all of them

Maybe he knows that currently Babylon the Great is a woman but thinks it SHOULD be a demon.  

At least as much as The Bear, Beast of the Earth/Sea and the others from Daniel/Revelation, Babylon is a symbol of something like a political/religious system that is demonically controlled.  It is not referring to an actual woman or even the actual group of humans that lived in the city of Babylon.  The consistent standard of Redemption seems to be to interpret these symbols as demons for gameplay purposes.


I see the usefulness of Succothbenoth in endgame but it seems to only be useful in endgame.  What about changing it to:

"When your Babylonian enters battle, you may shuffle 4 cards from your hand into deck to return a Hero in battle to top of owner's deck."

It is sorta hard to call a vision of a beast from the sea be anything but a demon though. A vision of a woman (w/e she represents) is still a woman though.

I would call that a very subjective judgement and not what many Biblical scholars would say.  The Beast from the Earth (I think) is thought to be the Antichrist which means it is a man and not a demon (though demon controlled).  I didn't say Babylon wouldn't be a female but I would find it hard to call it human.  I just read Rev. 17 and it describes her as sitting on 7 mountains and sitting astride the great beast (Red Dragon?) and drinking the blood of the saints and martyrs.  I think that would be a VERY large woman.  I don't think that she could physically be like an actual woman (size wise). 

I guess if I were to see a 5 mile tall woman walking around, I wouldn't think "human".  It might look similar to a human but it is definitely not human.

I'd think elf