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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Redemption® Resources and Thinktank => New Card Ideas => Topic started by: browarod on June 25, 2011, 02:33:39 PM
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If you saw my other thread about theology, you know I watched the Angel Wars Guardian Force episodes recently, so here are some card ideas from the second and third episodes (since the real Angel Wars set pretty much covered episode 1, lol).
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Possible battle winner for angel offenses or demon defenses alone, otherwise maybe you get a crazy angel vs demon battle if they're fighting each other.
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Questionable theological implications aside (at least if used as an evil enhancement), it fits the spirit of the picture and what happened in the movie (substituting angels for humans since converting angels is even less okay, lol), and I do think that people in real life can end up turning away (sometimes due to pride, for example) from Christ. So, yeah.
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The good version of Demonic Influence.
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My original idea was too much like Protection of Angels, so this was my backup idea. Not sure about it, though. :S
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Figured this could be used after Jordan Interrupted and the like to help teal and silver.
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Random idea I had. If your opponent is anti-banding, throw your panic demon on your human to protect them. If they're FBTN, throw KoT on a human.
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I made it rainbow and "if used by a demon" so that any demon could use it in case you don't have Chamber of Demons out. I think it's balanced as a rainbow since non-demons will only get 2/4 out of it.
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I thought of this as a way to make "place on a hero" cards more useful, and it's half black so Morg can use it, again, if you don't have Chamber of Demons in territory (or it's being negated).
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I was frustrated that the demon enhancements I was making couldn't be used by Morg/Morgan (the main antagonist from AW) so I made this. Not sure if I put too many things on it or not, I added the cannot be ignored ability late in creation (*teehee*).
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At the risk of it getting shuffled or discarded after you've rescued it one or more times (like the 2- and 3-liner when half rescued), you can leave this in opponent's territory (presumably so you have access to it again next turn) in order to try and rescue additional Souls.
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I like the lost Souls... but I can imagine how that would be very frustrating if it was shuffled or buried :D
I think two angels on ensnared might be a little OPed. Maybe just one?
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I like the lost Souls... but I can imagine how that would be very frustrating if it was shuffled or buried :D
I think two angels on ensnared might be a little OPed. Maybe just one?
Haha, indeed. I originally was going to make the "worth 1+ Redeemed Souls" an identifier and make the ability something that protected it from effect if it had been rescued at least once, but every way I tried it was weird, so I ended up with this version.
I thought about that, but decided I was okay with the power. If others agree I'm more than willing to power it down.
Thanks for the comments. ^_^
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No Que reprint?
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No Que reprint?
Other than changing his ability (and making him orange), I couldn't make him any better with the current restrictions in place.
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I really like the good/evil concept. I'd never use Lost Souls, to easy to get rid of. (A simple burial decreases my score by 2? I don't think so.) What would be really interesting would be if your protected it from shuffle.
Heavenly Support is OP'd. Can't you see the problems we're having with Thad? This just adds even more power to it (and stan's seat can't do anything). Plus, I can T2 it up with MASSIVE protected banding chains. Yeah.
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I really like the good/evil concept. I'd never use Lost Souls, to easy to get rid of. (A simple burial decreases my score by 2? I don't think so.) What would be really interesting would be if your protected it from shuffle.
Thanks! I really like that concept, too, so I was really excited when Gabe's photoshop template had dual enhancements in it. :D As for the Lost Soul, I was afraid of that. As I noted above, I tried to work some protection in. I'll see if I can't squeeze at least shuffle protection in, lol.
Heavenly Support is OP'd. Can't you see the problems we're having with Thad? This just adds even more power to it (and stan's seat can't do anything). Plus, I can T2 it up with MASSIVE protected banding chains. Yeah.
I don't know that anyone splashes angels in with Thadciples, but I suppose this would make them want to, lol. Any suggestions for helping with that? Also, what does this add to Thad that he doesn't already have (besides Stan's Seat immunity)? I mean, the angel on the human isn't protected from anything by HS, so you could just CM (or any other hero removal) that and then the human isn't protected anymore.
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The problem with HS isn't Thad, it's that I can make any human Hero into a super-Thad.
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The problem with HS isn't Thad, it's that I can make any human Hero into a super-Thad.
The super-Thad is what I don't agree with, though. Mine doesn't protect from numbers (the human can still die by losing the battle), doesn't protect anything except that human (and their enhancements, per the recent ruling), can be stopped with hero destruction (which you can't use on a protected Thad), and is useless against a demon defense. How exactly is it worse than Thad?
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You're right, I was thinking of the wrong thing. It's still powerful.
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You're right, I was thinking of the wrong thing. It's still powerful.
So is AoCP. ;)
The question is: Is it too powerful?
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Looking back, no. A huge plus for it is that it works with silver's current position as a support brigade.
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More comments welcome and appreciated. ^_^
Looking back, no. A huge plus for it is that it works with silver's current position as a support brigade.
That's what I was going for, so I'm pleased that I succeeded. :D
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Read it more closely.
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I caught my mistake and deleted it. Sorry.
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I caught my mistake and deleted it. Sorry.
I missed it, what happened? lol
Read it more closely.
I can usually count on you finding all the OP combos I missed, anything coming to mind? :P
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I was suprised not to find lots of biased posts saying that angel wars is/was AWFUL!!!
(For the record I love the cards, great job on the Illistrations, they fit well.)
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Angel wars is/was AWFUL.
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I was suprised not to find lots of biased posts saying that angel wars is/was AWFUL!!!
(For the record I love the cards, great job on the Illistrations, they fit well.)
Haha, thanks! Some of them I had to keep moving back in the timeline to get just the right shot (like for Ensnared and Fatal Blow), and I wish the people were a little less blurry in Peace or Pride, but overall I'm happy with the pics. Glad you like them. ^_^
Angel wars is/was AWFUL.
Haha.
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I was suprised not to find lots of biased posts saying that angel wars is/was AWFUL!!!
(For the record I love the cards, great job on the Illistrations, they fit well.)
Well, it was. Another example of a sub-par product that was pushed to market because it's "Christian."
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Let's keep this about the cards.
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Its an interesting idea to have good and evil cards
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Its an interesting idea to have good and evil cards
I agree. I love (the) Philosophy (card), so when I saw the frame in the template I just HAD to make some. :P
Let's keep this about the cards.
Still hoping you'll post comments. ;)
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I don't think "regardless of protection" and "cannot be N/I" should ever appear on the same card. All in all, most of these are OP. I really like Fatal Blow, and I really like the idea of the lost souls card, but all these incredible battle winners need their "cannot be"s taken off IMO.
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I,FOR ONE actually enjoyed the 3 angel wars guardian force episodes and the Messengers Movie , as well as the cards.In addition, i have no doubt that playgroup n00bs have fun with the angel wars cards,Furthermore the simplistic Angel Wars cards are easy to use to explain concepts to new playersEven if the majority of the cards in the set were useless, actual-play-wise
Aside from that I Love the cards and most of them introduce Fun (if OP'd) Concept(s)
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Its an interesting idea to have good and evil cards
Knowing the playtesters, I say the next set might be pretty interesting.
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I don't think "regardless of protection" and "cannot be N/I" should ever appear on the same card. All in all, most of these are OP. I really like Fatal Blow, and I really like the idea of the lost souls card, but all these incredible battle winners need their "cannot be"s taken off IMO.
In the case of Angels & Demons, the regardless of protection is so people like Asahel don't get to stick around. I could remove the CBN if that makes it OP.
As to Peace or Pride, I think silver needs more CBN battle-winners, so that's why I gave it CBN. Again, I can remove it to balance if necessary.
Heavenly Shield is only CBN versus demons, and the regardless of protection balances the cost (removing an angel from the game).
Urgent Duties Ahead isn't a battle-winner, per se, I just generally throw CBI on abilities I make that involve revealing/searching (because I find it weird when you negate a search but still shuffle the deck).
I could totally remove the CBN from Ensnared, I threw it on there to make the ability longer, actually, lol.
I like Fatal Blow, too, thanks! :D
I really like the idea of the Lost Souls, too, I'm just afraid no one would actually use the ability since it's so easy nowadays to get rid of/shuffle/exchange Souls.
Thanks for the comments. ^_^
Its an interesting idea to have good and evil cards
Knowing the playtesters, I say the next set might be pretty interesting.
Indeed. ;)
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I would change the CBN to "CBI by a character ability" on Angels and Demons just because of the FbtN on both sides. Peace or Pride and Ensnared can just lose the CBN altogether. Heavenly shield can keep the "CBN by a demon", but I would take off the "regardless of protection," since even if it affects angels, the removal of angels is a cost on that ability, meaning if it's protected, then no discard happens anyway; I might also have it remove a unique angel, just to keep the cost high for such a powerful ability.
I don't think angels really need CBN enhancements that bad, since they have Michael + Angel's Sword and everyone uses that anyway.
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Silver is a FBTN brigade, CBN is already more powerful then say, purple or white. (Though Gathering Michael to TSA/Captain is FUN).
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Alright, I'm planning to update most of the cards today (requires specific effort since I have to edit the psd files, lol). Any last minute suggestions (BubbleBoy's are probably what I'm mostly going to go with at this point) would be splendid, otherwise I'll update again once I've finished and posted the new versions.
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One other suggestion is that you change the numbers on a few of these. Generally, the abilities on evil enhancements add up to no more than 6. Angels and Demons can probably stay the same, but Fatal Blow and Ensnared should be reduced.
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One other suggestion is that you change the numbers on a few of these. Generally, the abilities on evil enhancements add up to no more than 6. Angels and Demons can probably stay the same, but Fatal Blow and Ensnared should be reduced.
Ensnared is 2/4, so that's already 6, lol. Fatal Blow was meant to be 1/5, so good eye catching that one. ^_^
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UPDATE BUMP!
Things changed:
-Fixed the numbers on Fatal Blow.
-Removed CBN from Ensnared.
-Changed CBN on Angels & Demons to only be from character abilities.
-Centered ability text on Chamber of Demons (I'm OCD about stuff like that, lol)
-Added "Protected from shuffle" to the Lost Souls card.
-Reworked Peace or Pride: removed the CBN and added an instead that the converted character's owner can choose to use.
Things not changed:
-I left Heavenly Shield the same. Regardless of protection doesn't really mean that much more than a discard by itself, and demons are very good about getting around/recovering from discard (WS, much?) not to mention insteads are more and more popular these days. This leaves it as an interesting and powerful combo with Angels & Demons (if used on offense), but since they are each limited to 1 per deck (in both types) I think the combo is not too powerful.
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For Heavily Shielded does it have to be the angel in battle or can it be and thing.
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For Heavily Shielded does it have to be the angel in battle or can it be and thing.
As long as you own and control the angel, it can be anywhere in play.
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Why does a shield have a high offense while a fatal blow has a high defense?
Also, the split cards should have slightly lower numbers on the evil side to fit the thematic element.
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Why does a shield have a high offense while a fatal blow has a high defense?
Also, the split cards should have slightly lower numbers on the evil side to fit the thematic element.
Blame it on them being good vs evil cards. I guess I could swap them if you think it would fit better.
I could make A&D 0/6 and PoP 2/2 if that would help.
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Those changes would polish off most of what little rough spots remain.
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What if you made Chamber of Demons a mirror image of Chamber of Angels, except the demons would go to the bottom?
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Demons already have WS for discard recursion, so I figured the abilities I did give it would be more helpful. I'm always open to suggestions, though, so if others agree I can change it.
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I like all of them. It'd be cool to see them made!
Carry On,
-C_S
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I like all of them. It'd be cool to see them made!
Carry On,
-C_S
Thanks! ^_^
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Awesome Job! Love the artwork.
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Awesome Job! Love the artwork.
Thank'ee kindly. Having the movies made the artwork as simple as pause->print screen->paste->crop->insert as layer. :P
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whatt templetes are you using?
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I use Gabe's Photoshop template which can be found in this (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/new-card-ideas/card-templates-26760/msg420463/#msg420463) thread/post.
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got to have photo shop with that one though right? awesome cards by the way i like the art work.
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got to have photo shop with that one though right? awesome cards by the way i like the art work.
I think it may work with Gimp, but I use it with Photoshop CS5, yeah. Thanks! ^_^