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This card could seriously put a hurting on TGT offenses and can greatly aid defense which is already too weak.

Just on this, we don't necessarily want to be able to stop the offense effectively.  Defense is supposed to be weak comparatively in the game, though discussions have been had about what is the right amount of 'weak'.  The thing is that what you just said about it hurting a specific offense honestly applies to all offenses, more or less.  CBN out-of-battle conversion of two (?!) heroes will cripple most offenses out there, not just 'the offenders'.  I understand that this targets TGT in a different way because of the brigade choice, but there are better counters that could be made against it (such as fort negation or anti-ignore for NT or on fortresses, the game is light on those right now).

This card is far too OP.  There is a dearth of evil conversion (I like your naming idea, but not sure it quite fits) for good reason.  And as there is a great lack of conversion cards for heroes, there isn't protection for it.  You can just take out two of my heroes immediately, outside of battle, CBN, and also stop me from playing down any other copy of them.  And only one of the heroes can be discarded, and even then I have to recur them.

I don't really like the idea of a conversion dom, period (good or evil), and I'm not sure we could make such a dom balanced.

Y is a conversion Dom not balanced, Holy Grail is very similar?

This was also the thought if you holy grail my best EC especially in T2 I could then switch them back.

I think the versatility of this card/idea would be great for strategies and increasing the number of actual battles in T1.

I feel like 2 hero's in t1 isn't a huge devistation in today's game where people play 14-20 hero's in a t1 deck

My brother beat me with a deck that was completely heroes (and lost souls of course) once... It was years ago but it was saddening and I still remember it.

So what if it was toned down to say

Deceive one hero in each territory opponent may place their converted hero beneath deck

That is much better.  Although it is, like Grapes, a deadly card against heroless decks.  But at least it doesn't hurt herolite too bad, since you can underdeck your hero.