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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Redemption® Resources and Thinktank => New Card Ideas => Topic started by: stefferweffer on March 24, 2010, 04:58:46 PM
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12/6 Warrior-class Black Brigade Greek King (or was he an emperor? Anyway....)
You may ADD black brigade and the designation "Greek" to any O.T. human evil character. May band to any Greek.
"then another, a third kingdom of bronze, which shall rule over all the earth." Daniel 2:39
Theory: Trying to represent his ability to conquer so much of the world in so short a time, allow conquered cultures to survive, and to spread the Greek language/culture all at the same time. (And the fact that he's one of the most famous/influential Greeks in history!)
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Umm...absolutely not. Super ultra mega beefed up OP.
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Can you be more specific? Which part?
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I don't think its that over powered. I'm not familiar with Greeks, but I don't think they have too much besides Abom. A card like this could certainly provide a boost. Useful for banding to opponent's characters :-*
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Umm...absolutely not. Super ultra mega beefed up OP.
I disagree. It makes one of Redemption's smallest cultures more usable, Abom players would love it, and it can't be abused to affect your opponent's characters (except for being able to band to them, which you can already do with Lot's Wife/Messenger of Satan, etc).
I might restrict it to OT human evil characters though. That way, you don't have to worry about having the Roman exception (since all human Romans are NT, and I don't know of many OT Romans that could be made) and it'd be more historically accurate, since Alexander lived centuries before Christ's birth.
Otherwise, I like it a lot.
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Good point about OT. I'll change that. Also, you are correct that its not discarding anyone's ECs (or changing their original brigade), its just making more Greeks. Thus if there were enhancements later on affected by how many Greeks are in play it would affect that too. It could also be used to add "splash" to someone who doesn't want any more splash among their ECs :)
If you had an ability that adds "Greek" and also "May band to any Greek", may those abilities be used in the same turn on the same EC?
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I think it should have a cost, like "discard a site."
on a side note, wouldn't it make sense if a site had an ability like this? like:
Greece
White Brigade Site (cuz of Daniel and the Prince of Greece, Prince of Persia. this is subject to change)
When you put a lost soul in this site, set aside an evil character for two turns. Upon return, evil Character gains black brigade and is considered Greek.
I've always thought sites should be used in a way similar to this.
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If you had an ability that adds "Greek" and also "May band to any Greek", may those abilities be used in the same turn on the same EC?
Yes. Abilities follow the order written (except when banding or choose the blocker comes before other abilities, in which case they go last). So what happens is this:
You block with Alexander.
You convert someone to a Greek.
You look around to see if any Greeks are in play; seeing the guy you just converted, you band to him.
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Umm...absolutely not. Super ultra mega beefed up OP.
I think I misread as "Greek to ALL Evil Characters".
Unless that was what you had before you edited.
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No. My edits were any "O.T." human EC (instead of non-Roman), and I added the scripture reference also. Thanks.
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<3 it.
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Yeah, I really like it. Sorry for my misread. I might make it into a picture...
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If you had an ability that adds "Greek" and also "May band to any Greek", may those abilities be used in the same turn on the same EC?
Yes. Abilities follow the order written (except when banding or choose the blocker comes before other abilities, in which case they go last). So what happens is this:
You block with Alexander.
You convert someone to a Greek.
You look around to see if any Greeks are in play; seeing the guy you just converted, you band to him.
again, I think it should be a set aside to prevent this.
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again, I think it should be a set aside to prevent this.
Why? What's wrong with it? So he can band to any OT human EC. How is that so bad? Also, it's negatable.
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And WOP prevents the banding to an opponent's EC anyway.
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<3 it.
Lol. I don't know my emotes very well. Is this approval or disapproval?
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<3 it.
Lol. I don't know my emotes very well. Is this approval or disapproval?
that's a heart.
again, I think it should be a set aside to prevent this.
Why? What's wrong with it? So he can band to any OT human EC. How is that so bad? Also, it's negatable.
it begins a super band. so, I make Gomer a black greek. then she bands to whoever is next, and so on and so forth. I'm sure somebody can find a way to abuse this card...
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Tilt your head to the right when you look at this:
<3
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<3 it.
Lol. I don't know my emotes very well. Is this approval or disapproval?
that's a heart.
again, I think it should be a set aside to prevent this.
Why? What's wrong with it? So he can band to any OT human EC. How is that so bad? Also, it's negatable.
it begins a super band. so, I make Gomer a black greek. then she bands to whoever is next, and so on and so forth. I'm sure somebody can find a way to abuse this card...
But aren't those "super bands" already out there (see my 12th casual deck - the banding deck)? If its deemed too powerful then maybe make it "May band to a DIFFERENT Greek than the one he just created."?
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http://redemptionspace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/011.png (http://redemptionspace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/011.png)
Its kind of big
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I personally like it. All you have to do is play any O.T. evil theme, splash Alex in and some really nasty black enhancements. You have a fun deck. I could see him really hurting TGT. Don't really know how we would make it nasty, but Redemption players are notorious for making cards like this one very nasty.
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http://redemptionspace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/011.png (http://redemptionspace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/011.png)
Its kind of big
Wow! That's incredibly awesome! Is that a famous painting that someone did of Alexander, or is it more generic than that? Thanks so much for sharing! Incidentally, does that say NT Greek King? It would technically be Old Testament, right?
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<3 it.
Lol. I don't know my emotes very well. Is this approval or disapproval?
that's a heart.
again, I think it should be a set aside to prevent this.
Why? What's wrong with it? So he can band to any OT human EC. How is that so bad? Also, it's negatable.
it begins a super band. so, I make Gomer a black greek. then she bands to whoever is next, and so on and so forth. I'm sure somebody can find a way to abuse this card...
But aren't those "super bands" already out there (see my 12th casual deck - the banding deck)? If its deemed too powerful then maybe make it "May band to a DIFFERENT Greek than the one he just created."?
or we could just put the band before the adding.
because you don't need to change your deck at all. or splash in a Rabby with 2K and make him black. sha-bam.
http://redemptionspace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/011.png (http://redemptionspace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/011.png)
Its kind of big
I like it! except that the identifier says "N.T...." and the reference is O.T.
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Tilt your head to the right when you look at this:
<3
Or tilt it to the left and it looks like a spade without a stick, so either he loves it, or wants to bury you, one of the two.
On topic, Love the card, Not bad at all, I originally thought it could be abused in TGT, til I realized he has to be out in the first place and he IS black.
This card also needs a way to chop someone's shoe laces.
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<3 it.
Lol. I don't know my emotes very well. Is this approval or disapproval?
that's a heart.
again, I think it should be a set aside to prevent this.
Why? What's wrong with it? So he can band to any OT human EC. How is that so bad? Also, it's negatable.
it begins a super band. so, I make Gomer a black greek. then she bands to whoever is next, and so on and so forth. I'm sure somebody can find a way to abuse this card...
But aren't those "super bands" already out there (see my 12th casual deck - the banding deck)? If its deemed too powerful then maybe make it "May band to a DIFFERENT Greek than the one he just created."?
or we could just put the band before the adding.
because you don't need to change your deck at all. or splash in a Rabby with 2K and make him black. sha-bam.
http://redemptionspace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/011.png (http://redemptionspace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/011.png)
Its kind of big
I like it! except that the identifier says "N.T...." and the reference is O.T.
I realized that later. If it is deemed too powerful, put the band before the add.
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No nerfing required. If this card is OP then like half the cards in TxP are OP. This is the best card idea I've seen for Greeks.
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No nerfing required. If this card is OP then like half the cards in TxP are OP. This is the best card idea I've seen for Greeks.
They are, but that is aside the point.
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Just a couple changes:
OT, not NT.
I would make sure to say "unique" in the identifiers just in case.
the word "designation" is awkward. Why not say "identifier"? That's what you mean, right?
Also, just for nitpickiness, "black brigade" doesn't really need quotes around it I don't think.
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Yes, I meant identifier. I forgot the correct term. Thanks.
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The reason I put "NT" in the identifier is because the time period that ALexander the Great lived was not OT. The daniel reference is a generic reference.
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The reason I put "NT" in the identifier is because the time period that ALexander the Great lived was not OT. The daniel reference is a generic reference.
He lived about three and a half centuries before the birth of Christ; that would make him OT. Characters who lived and died before Christ's birth are considered OT: See Antiochus IV Epiphanes (who is considered OT, and he died ~150 years after Alexander). So he should be OT.
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The reason I put "NT" in the identifier is because the time period that ALexander the Great lived was not OT. The daniel reference is a generic reference.
The coming of the Greek empire (via Alexander the Great), and its massive power/influence, was indeed foretold in the book of Daniel. This reference is one of the less obscure passages on the subject. Remember that it was after this kingdom, in the days of the 4th Kingdom (Rome), that Christ would come. Thus I'm thinking Alexander as Old Testament, as in preceding Jesus on the earth.