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Quote from: Captain Kirk on June 12, 2013, 01:34:51 PM

Golden Cherubim and FW are terrific cards and can never be OP because they react to something your opponent does. If your opponent never meets the condition (draw a card or two) then the cards don't do much.

Cards like TGT, on the other hand, are fair to classify as OP because they are proactive.

Nothing OP with FW.

Kirk

FW wouldn't be OP if you couldn't A) Use mayhem to force an opponent's draw or B) make her untouchable in territory, letting you draw as much as you want, while your opponent can't draw.

No offense To Kirk, he is a t2 genious but in type 1 every deck will play FW and in any game if u start getting cards that everyone has to play to compete u eliminate deck build strategies and begin establishing a permenant meta.

On a side note about NJ and SoG Kirk you are an exception to the rule 99% is close enough to everyone to qualify my statement as correct.

Quote from: Drrek on June 12, 2013, 01:39:02 PM

Quote from: Captain Kirk on June 12, 2013, 01:34:51 PM

Golden Cherubim and FW are terrific cards and can never be OP because they react to something your opponent does. If your opponent never meets the condition (draw a card or two) then the cards don't do much.

Cards like TGT, on the other hand, are fair to classify as OP because they are proactive.

Nothing OP with FW.

Kirk

FW wouldn't be OP if you couldn't A) Use mayhem to force an opponent's draw or B) make her untouchable in territory, letting you draw as much as you want, while your opponent can't draw.

Mayhem is really the only issue I see with FW. Her being untouchable means nothing if you simply don't draw (or limit it to 1 card at a time).

The problem isn't that it stops drawing, the problem is it stops one player's drawing, while the other can keep drawing all they want.

Wasn't that what was supposed to happen with RBD? RBD is in every deck, drawing decreases, RBD use decreases, it balances out.

Doesn't really seem like that happened, lol.

Wasn't that what was supposed to happen with RBD? RBD is in every deck, drawing decreases, RBD use decreases, it balances out.

Doesn't really seem like that happened, lol.

100% correct


Lamborghini if I draw FW before you then u dont have speed and I do.

You want to change the game fundamentally create a decent game rule not an OP card everyone will play.

@ddicerc the meta is only limited to certain selection and FW shrinks the selection by making other defensive cards currently in play less useful compared to her. FW will go in every deck no other meta card exists like that out side of lost souls
(by game rule) and SoG NJ

Foreign Wives is fairly different from Rain Becomes Dust. Rain Becomes Dust stops draws altogether, Foreign Wives just makes there a cost to drawing lots of cards. Say my opponent gets Foreign Wives (and I can't get rid of it in territory for whatever reason), I know I have my own Foreign Wives in my deck (or maybe I don't, it doesn't really matter) Now on any of my turns I can draw 1 extra card before Foreign Wives is even a problem (and on my opponent's turn I can draw as much as I want). Now my opponent can force me to draw once with Mayhem. Now if I decide I don't need to draw cards before my opponent blocks they have to decide whether or not it is worth risking their FW on the chance that I'm going to play a draw enhancement or they will block with a different character (or possibly none at all) meaning that in that case Foreign Wives isn't terribly useful (it may have slowed me down, but I still very easily could get the rescue), on the other hand, if I decide I need to draw (possibly to get my own Foreign Wives out) I draw, take the lost rescue and move on with my game.

Of course I'm a T2 player, so I really don't know how T1 plays at high levels, so maybe it is Over Powered in T1. I'm just saying that it sounds like it will make games more interesting, because there could be a cost to drawing too many cards before the block happens.

Wasn't that what was supposed to happen with RBD? RBD is in every deck, drawing decreases, RBD use decreases, it balances out.

Doesn't really seem like that happened, lol.

RBD is very easy to counter (DoN, Captured Ark, Passover Hymn, Abe's descendant), and takes up the active art slot.  A fortified FW is impossible to counter, and doesn't limit your artifacts.

Quote from: wmd1999 on June 12, 2013, 04:15:57 PM

People could just shift off a fast offense and go to a fast defense and bam FW is no longer a problem. This might get people to actually play a decent sized defense in T1

Woot

There's no reason to do that.  You can pretty easily run both a fast defense and a fast offense.

Hmm.  Well, here is a card idea from my Proverbs theme I created in early 2012.  It was designed to counter speed, including the player using it.  The wording is outdated now since I didn't use "underdeck".  To further counter AUTO, it could also protect cards in territory from exchange, I guess.  And I originally had it at 3 turns instead of 2.

Folly
2/8 unique female Pale Green evil character, not human/not demon
Proverbs 9:13
(X = number of cards opponent has drawn from good abilities in current battle phase)
"Regardless of protection, opponent must place X cards from hand beneath deck.  Protect all decks and hands from draw, shuffle, search, and exchange abilities for 2 turns.  Cannot be negated."

Let's be honest, FW is replacing Uzzah/KoT, not Pentecost/FF, in speed decks.  Speed decks are not playing more defense because of FW.  There's no evidence (yet) that balanced decks with FW can beat speed decks.  Until there is, there will be a lot of speed decks (ironically all of which will have FW in them).

I was under the impression Fortify Site only protected the Canaanite in territory until it entered battle the first time. Then after returning to territory it was not safe.

You are correct.

Search discard pile for a black Canaanite or a Canaanite Site and put it in play to discard an Artifact. Protect it from opponents while it remains in territory.

Key word there is remains. That's good to know, Fortify Site is significantly worse than I thought.

Quote from: Captain Kirk on June 13, 2013, 10:26:53 AM

I was under the impression Fortify Site only protected the Canaanite in territory until it entered battle the first time. Then after returning to territory it was not safe.

You are correct.

Quote from: Fortify Site

Search discard pile for a black Canaanite or a Canaanite Site and put it in play to discard an Artifact. Protect it from opponents while it remains in territory.

I agree on Fortify Site. The "while remains in play" characters reset if they are set-aside, so I would imagine this would be the same way.

Just to ensure that I understand this correctly, The current two elder ruling is that the protection from fortify site only remains until the character leaves my opponent's territory for any reason, then they are targetable again.  Is that correct?

Yes.

Happy day!  
Should there be a link made in Ruling questions to this? I am sure that this will come up at least once during the later parts of this tournament season