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Angels need help with site access?  This is new to me.

There are also several angels who have site access abilities (A at Jerusalem, A of Deliverance, A in the Path). And as far as Ends of the Eart goes, Captain can't use it, but unless you're banding to him at that point, TSA is just about as good and can use it.

Sweet cards, but I never had a huge problem vs. sites with my Silver deck, so I don't see a pressing need.

LOL... I forgot about Angel of Deliverance which is totally ironic since this card is called Sword of Deliverance.

I see where you're going but I do have problems with site access with my silver deck and I've got at least three access cards in there. What site access cards do you use in your silver deck? Maybe I just need to tweak mine.

What do you think about the interrupt-draw-three-play-next for silver? Everybody else is doing it. :-)

I used Ends of the Earth and Angel at Jerusalem I think (I haven't used the deck in awhile, and I have since taken it apart). Other than that, you just have to be really careful when playing a site deck. I suppose that deck would fail against a well built site lock deck, but silver is a really fast offense, so that well-built deck would have to set up fairly quickly. I guess I don't recall facing too many site decks with it, as I only took it to one or two tournies, so I might not be the best of help. If you're worried about sites, you can use any of the above cards, maybe throw in Dragon Raid as well as EotE, and one of the heroes.

With Striking Herod, silver basically has an interrupt and play next all in one card. If any brigade was to get that type of card, I'd say Red should, so that people can actually use all of those awesome battle winners it has.

I suppose that deck would fail against a well built site lock deck, but silver is a really fast offense

Could you please explain this comment a little more? I have an angel deck that has worked fairly well (in fact I won a game with it tonight) but I don't find that it's all that "fast". What silver enhancements can I use to make it faster?  I'm probably missing some other cards...I can PM you the deck if you'd like.

Thanks,
Egyptian

Silver is ridiculous fast in that if you draw either TSA or Captain early on, that can win the game in three rescues, once you get Michael and Angel's Sword, all of your battle-winners get you LS's (for the most part), and an early Gabe can win the game very early on by taking out key offensive Enhancements.

Hard to agree with you here. Yes, a first-turn Strong Angel is nice, but there are a lot of big cards that can block him, so much more stuff out there that cannot be prevented, etc. As for the Captain, always risky to play him before you've got Wall of Protection up. Gabriel can take out cards but there's a lot of risk to that (pale green/confusion for one).

Rulings significantly weakened Michael + Angel's Sword by decreeing that WC ECs+Horses of various civilizations actually get to play before Michael + Angel's Sword. I've never understood that edict, because cannot be negated includes cannot be interrupted, which means that the SA cannot be stopped by any card played after it, and Michael+Angel's Sword is already played, in battle and activated when opponent plays cards into battle to block, but be that as it may. I'm certainly not a Redemption lawyer :-).

Sure, if you get an optimal draw Silver is pretty fast. But by definition, most draws are not optimal. It's also getting more difficult to make a straight by-the-numbers rescue early on. I have a FBTN deck and a couple of years ago I took third in T1 2-player at MN state with it. It used to be a great deck. Now it's probably just above average, because there is so much more cannot-be-prevented or cannot-be-negated characters and enhancements in recent sets, not to mention the "my enhancements can't be prevented lost soul" and all the anti-more-than-1-or-2-brigades cards.

Frankly, and this may be going off on a tangent, I think we've overdone it with the cannot-be-negated cards. And I realize that one of the cards I posted above cannot be negated (well, on a WC angel anyway)! It's a vicious cycle that feeds on itself. The more CBN/CBP is out there, the more CBN/CBP we want. And we want it so that we don't have to worry about early Captains, TSAs, King of Tyrus, big FBTN banding chains,  interrupt the battle, and so forth. We want it so that we know our SA's will always work regardless of what the opponent throws our way.

But all of this comes at a cost. We've significantly weakened good FBTN cards that have historically been some of the best cards in the game. I wasn't in Redemption when all the FTBN decks were winning big tournaments (I think that was a year or two before I got into it), but honestly I don't see what's wrong with a good FBTN deck winning, or at least placing in the top 3-4 at a big tournament.

While I'm at it, I'll add that when I started playing Redemption  a few years ago, King David and Widow were about all there was for pre-block ignores. Occasionally certain people - who shall not be named in the interest of protecting the guilty - would throw in a Miriam or Jochebed or Journey to Egypt to tweak my Egyptian deck. But these two cards were rarely played.

Today, there are so many pre-block ignores (Garden Tomb on all 39 characters :-) ) and one-hit wonders (Uzzah, Trembling demon, etc.) that good decks don't seem to fight battles any more. The objective as explained to me by some players better than I is, how can I design a deck that does not let my opponent block (e.g. Garden Tomb)? Or if he does block, that does not let him play a card (Uzzah, Trembling Demon)? I have trouble understanding why that is good for the game. How does it make the game better? Who wants spend the time to play against a deck like that?

Well, anyway, I'm done ranting. :-) I have to go make coffee. TTYAL

Today, there are so many pre-block ignores...and one-hit wonders...that good decks don't seem to fight battles any more. The objective...is, how can I design a deck that does not let my opponent block..Or...play a card...How does it make the game better?

Alright, who let the other Prof hack into Egyptian's account?

That is funny.  And besides, I thought you were the "other" Prof

The sword is a little to good I think.

The sword is a little to good I think.

yea  its way Op'd

i know... but Holder has access....? thats way OP'd

Why? Journey to Egypt is a CBN site access card. Is that overpowered? (I assume most who would answer yes to that question believe so more because it allows the Hero to ignore an entire Civilization, eh RR?  )

Spear of Joshua is a WC Site access card, also.

Also, the concept of deliverance makes sense for site access abilities (see Angel of Deliverance).

oh why did i read it as " holder(player) has access to any site?

Quote from: The Warrior on July 30, 2009, 06:31:28 PM

oh why did i read it as " holder(player) has access to any site?

Oh, I see the confusion. You're right, the SA should say 'Hero has access'. A holder having access to any site doesn't make any sense. I didn't even realize that.

you see my point. thanks

You probably meant holder (of the sword) and then forgot you meant that.