Author Topic: A Call for a Librarian (Read 7341 times)

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #25 on:** December 31, 2011, 12:22:26 AM »

Quote from: lp670sv on December 31, 2011, 12:10:03 AM

yes i was asking why chronic posted the exact same thing

I placed emphasis on the reliability rather than the source part.

Also, I <3 sauce. Everyone knows that.

lp670sv · « **Reply #26 on:** December 31, 2011, 12:23:39 AM »

Quote from: Chronic Apathy on December 31, 2011, 12:22:26 AM

Quote from: lp670sv on December 31, 2011, 12:10:03 AM
yes i was asking why chronic posted the exact same thing

I placed emphasis on the reliability rather than the source part.

Also, I <3 sauce. Everyone knows that.

I actually did not notice that. I apologize. Proceed.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #27 on:** December 31, 2011, 12:54:39 AM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on December 30, 2011, 09:10:14 PM

Is Pol's decision that the thread had run it's course not good enough for you to agree? If you don't want to trust his judgement, I question why he is a mod at all.

Pol felt like that thread was likely to only result in pointless criticism (kinda like where you seem to be trying to take this thread, now that the main point of this thread has already been accomplished). I just wanted to make sure that the archiving project would continue on. I talked to Pol about it, and he agreed, leading to this thread. This whole thing has been resolved at this point, and Pol is doing a good job.

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on December 30, 2011, 09:10:14 PM

Would you like me to start a new thread about it that brings more people into it? This is actually probably a more discrete method of questioning the choices made by mods than posting a topic such as "Are Mods overstepping their bounds? A discussion about the power of lock-editing and it's effects on the voice of the community".

If you feel like mods are NOT doing a good job, and you have evidence that points to that conclusion, then you should probably PM me with it and we can have that discussion privately at first. If you are not satisfied with that private conversation, then by all means start a thread about it. Just because you and I disagree sometimes, it doesn't mean that I don't value your input. I'd be glad to hear from you about this.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #28 on:** December 31, 2011, 01:17:28 AM »

Quote from: Prof Underwood on December 31, 2011, 12:54:39 AM

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on December 30, 2011, 09:10:14 PM
Is Pol's decision that the thread had run it's course not good enough for you to agree? If you don't want to trust his judgement, I question why he is a mod at all.
Pol felt like that thread was likely to only result in pointless criticism (kinda like where you seem to be trying to take this thread, now that the main point of this thread has already been accomplished). I just wanted to make sure that the archiving project would continue on. I talked to Pol about it, and he agreed, leading to this thread. This whole thing has been resolved at this point, and Pol is doing a good job.

I think Alex is trying to say that he feels the criticism was not pointless, and that the lockage only furthers his point.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #29 on:** December 31, 2011, 01:33:04 AM »

Quote from: Prof Underwood on December 31, 2011, 12:54:39 AM

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on December 30, 2011, 09:10:14 PM
Is Pol's decision that the thread had run it's course not good enough for you to agree? If you don't want to trust his judgement, I question why he is a mod at all.
Pol felt like that thread was likely to only result in pointless criticism (kinda like where you seem to be trying to take this thread, now that the main point of this thread has already been accomplished). I just wanted to make sure that the archiving project would continue on. I talked to Pol about it, and he agreed, leading to this thread. This whole thing has been resolved at this point, and Pol is doing a good job.

I don't understand why you had to unlock the thread to do that. If you look at the develop of the thread, there were issues, there was tension, Pol made a definative statement about the issue, and locked it. RDT then entered to state his side (since he had been called out as well in some aspects) and then locked the case. Then, you inexplicably enter two seperate times to first essentially restate something that Pol has already said and then essentially bump this thread. I question why either of those issues was ever needed to be publically stated on that thread. Why did you need to just restate what Pol said? Why did you need to point that this thread now exists? It seems to me continuing to post on that thread either 1. appears to undermine Pol (and to a lesser extent RDT)'s authority in that subforum or 2. create the appearance mods need the last word. Neither of those statement are positive for the moderation team.

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If you feel like mods are NOT doing a good job, and you have evidence that points to that conclusion, then you should probably PM me with it and we can have that discussion privately at first. If you are not satisfied with that private conversation, then by all means start a thread about it. Just because you and I disagree sometimes, it doesn't mean that I don't value your input. I'd be glad to hear from you about this.

I think that there's been several previous threads and discussion about it. I can only assume the same discussions occured during backdoor politicking by the moderators, so I don't really see the need to rehash discussions that didn't go anywhere and haven't produced results despite statements that progess would be made.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #30 on:** December 31, 2011, 02:17:50 AM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on December 31, 2011, 01:33:04 AM

I don't understand why you had to unlock the thread to do that.

Let me clear this up to start with. I didn't unlock anything, I just posted.

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on December 31, 2011, 01:33:04 AM

you inexplicably enter two seperate times...continuing to post on that thread either 1. appears to undermine Pol (and to a lesser extent RDT)'s authority in that subforum or 2. create the appearance mods need the last word.

Wow, that is the opposite message that I wanted to send. Actually the locking of the thread was reported by a forum member, which is originally why I got involved. My posting after Pol and RDT was actually to support them as mods in their decision to lock the thread.

Then another forum member mentioned in the Trumpet Blast that they wanted to respond to my post. Thus I added the 2nd post directing them to where they could do that.

Really, this whole thing appears to be a misunderstanding. I apologize if my actions confused you, but there really isn't any big backdoor politicking going on that I know of. And again I would welcome you to share with me what statements were made about progress without any results produced. I really don't know what you are talking about.

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #31 on:** December 31, 2011, 02:35:11 AM »

Underwood, you raised a solid point in the other thread that made me realize I had misunderstood part of what Pol had said. Specifically, your comment referring to the "100 random Spartans and their weapons," which I didn't realize at the time was a catch-all for "silly cards". I simply misunderstood part of what Pol's argument was. Now, I would have loved to have been able to slightly revise my position in that thread, but I was unable to due to the thread being locked. The point I'm trying to make here is that, at least to some extent, I disagree with your reasoning for why you agreed the thread should be locked. I think there was potentially some fruitful discussion that unceremoniously cut short. I won't pretend that I know why Pol closed the thread, however, the way it came off (and again, I am not saying that this was why he did it) was that he was getting the last word and that was that. I won't speak for Alex, but for me personally, that's where my frustration came from, and I still stick by my original comments in the other thread, though I meant no disrespect to either Pol or RDT with my comments, and if I accidentally offended either of them, I apologize.

At any rate, it looks like that thread is a moot point now, since Kittens has agreed to undertake this project.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #32 on:** December 31, 2011, 03:54:04 AM »

Quote from: Chronic Apathy on December 31, 2011, 02:35:11 AM

I disagree with your reasoning for why you agreed the thread should be locked. I think there was potentially some fruitful discussion that unceremoniously cut short.

I can understand why you would feel that way. But I felt like I had two choices. One was to unlock the thread, which would have severely undermined another mod's decision and authority. The other was to support that mod in their decision, and point people to a new thread where they could have that potentially fruitful discussion. I believe that I made the right choice, and stand by it.

Quote from: Chronic Apathy on December 31, 2011, 02:35:11 AM

At any rate, it looks like that thread is a moot point now, since Kittens has agreed to undertake this project.

I agree. In fact, now that SK has taken on the project, and even begun it already, I don't know that either that thread or this one has much further point. Hopefully we can all call it a day. And hopefully next time people will give me the benefit of the doubt when I make a decision that doesn't make sense to them, so that I don't have to go through all the nitty-gritty, to show that I had the best intentions. It's not like I have a habbit of double-posting on locked threads (in fact, I think this is the first time I've ever done it). So if I do something like that, hopefully people realize that I probably have a good reason for it.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #33 on:** December 31, 2011, 12:38:02 PM »

Mods have the ability to post on locked threads without unlocking them. I think most of the mods don't realize this.

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #34 on:** December 31, 2011, 01:30:01 PM »

Quote from: Prof Underwood on December 31, 2011, 03:54:04 AM

Quote from: Chronic Apathy on December 31, 2011, 02:35:11 AM
I disagree with your reasoning for why you agreed the thread should be locked. I think there was potentially some fruitful discussion that unceremoniously cut short.
I can understand why you would feel that way. But I felt like I had two choices. One was to unlock the thread, which would have severely undermined another mod's decision and authority. The other was to support that mod in their decision, and point people to a new thread where they could have that potentially fruitful discussion. I believe that I made the right choice, and stand by it.

My argument isn't that you made the wrong choice, but that I think Pol was too quick to close the thread.

Quote from: Chronic Apathy on December 31, 2011, 02:35:11 AM

At any rate, it looks like that thread is a moot point now, since Kittens has agreed to undertake this project.

I agree. In fact, now that SK has taken on the project, and even begun it already, I don't know that either that thread or this one has much further point. Hopefully we can all call it a day. And hopefully next time people will give me the benefit of the doubt when I make a decision that doesn't make sense to them, so that I don't have to go through all the nitty-gritty, to show that I had the best intentions. It's not like I have a habbit of double-posting on locked threads (in fact, I think this is the first time I've ever done it). So if I do something like that, hopefully people realize that I probably have a good reason for it.
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I just want to note that it's gratifying to still see this thread open, so I was able to make closing comments.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #35 on:** January 02, 2012, 01:15:59 AM »

This thread is indeed still open, but hopefully those who have been posting on it will spend more time and energy submitting new ideas for SK to catalog than arguing about whether the Professor was right or wrong about me being right or wrong

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