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Re: T1-2P 1st Place - TealTomb
« Reply #50 on: April 25, 2010, 01:21:18 AM »
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would there be any changes to the deck with the new cards out now, like Mayhem or Grapes?

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« Reply #51 on: April 25, 2010, 01:31:27 AM »
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i didnt mean it in a bad way, im just saying the only people that wouldnt use the best doms are ones that want to try to be original. they'll more than likely lose doing that though. :)
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« Reply #52 on: April 25, 2010, 02:03:51 AM »
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I find many doms to be overrated. HT? Overrated. Burial? Overrated. GoyS and Falling Away? Overrated for the same reason. Of course, I run LotS in all of my decks so that may be slanting my opinion.
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« Reply #53 on: April 25, 2010, 12:46:17 PM »
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my opinion of having all the doms in a deck is that they're not needed.   Burial is a good example.   It is basicaly sucide to use it offensively, If your not carefull you could be locked out of ls to rescue.   To use it defensively with out sites,  your hope is to either only have 1 ls out or have a lost souls card to manipulate.  I would much rather have a Kot added to my deck or an unholy writ.  Either of these is almost an auto block.   Kot will either stop a rescue or soak up AOTL.  Writ stops most ra's or can be used as don fodder or even for uzzah.

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Re: T1-2P 1st Place - TealTomb
« Reply #54 on: April 25, 2010, 06:45:49 PM »
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Why not have kot, Unholy Writ and Burial? I must say I completely agree with Gabe.

The deck that omitted Destruction of Nehushtan was mine, by the way.  :) And if I could do it again, I'd put it in. Basically it was an oversight, and I'm really glad it didn't affect Jeffry's chances at winning. I can absolutely say that deck should have had Destruction of Nehushtan.

Now I think there are times when a defensive-heavy deck won't need harvest time, or something minor like that, but for 95% of the time, you should put in all 11 (I'd say Grapes and Mayhem have both become absolute staples).
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« Reply #55 on: April 25, 2010, 07:30:52 PM »
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Heres what I think about most dominants, and how often I use them.

SoG - Always
NJ - Always
CM - Always
DoN - Always
Burial - Always, it's saved me too many times to take out, especially when I use sitelocks.
FA - Always, as I play defense heavy, I do whatever it takes to slow them down.
GoyS - Always, ditto to the above, I often dont make RA's as fast as other players do, so I have time to draw this.
Mayhem - It goes in if I have room.
Grapes - Absolute new defensive staple for me, ESPECIALLY when I play with demons... its an instant block and I can keep my Wandering Spirit. As stated above, I'm usually slower on the start, so the chances of the opponent having less souls is reduced. I have yet to use this dominant offensively.  :D
GotL - Never use this.
Harvest Time - Never use this, my decks wait for the opponent, so I almost never run into LS issues.
Doubt - I've considered using it in orange decks, but I've never actually used it before... Madness is far more useful.


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Re: T1-2P 1st Place - TealTomb
« Reply #56 on: April 25, 2010, 09:00:42 PM »
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Heres what I think about most dominants, and how often I use them.

SoG - Always
NJ - Always
CM - Always
DoN - Always
Burial - Always, it's saved me too many times to take out, especially when I use sitelocks.
FA - Always, as I play defense heavy, I do whatever it takes to slow them down.
GoyS - Always, ditto to the above, I often dont make RA's as fast as other players do, so I have time to draw this.
Mayhem - It goes in if I have room.
Grapes - Absolute new defensive staple for me, ESPECIALLY when I play with demons... its an instant block and I can keep my Wandering Spirit. As stated above, I'm usually slower on the start, so the chances of the opponent having less souls is reduced. I have yet to use this dominant offensively.  :D
GotL - Never use this.
Harvest Time - Never use this, my decks wait for the opponent, so I almost never run into LS issues.
Doubt - I've considered using it in orange decks, but I've never actually used it before... Madness is far more useful.



I'm assuming you always use AotL as well?

Anyway, my list would be almost identical, except that Harvest time would fall under the "if I have room" category, and I did use GotL back when Blue Tassels and Priestly Crown were Temple Arts, which made my offense able to break through literally any type of defense used at the time.
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« Reply #57 on: April 25, 2010, 09:03:30 PM »
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Who'd use AoTL? That card is useless.... against Prince of Persia at least.....  :D

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Re: T1-2P 1st Place - TealTomb
« Reply #58 on: April 26, 2010, 01:58:55 AM »
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SoG-Always
NJ-Always
AotL-Always
CM - Always
DoN - 99% of the time
Burial - Almost never. Lampstand ftw.
FA - Same
GoyS - Same
Mayhem - Usually. A round 1 Mayhem when you're going first is brutal.
Grapes - Always
GotL - Only if I'm running a turtle
HT - Almost never
Doubt - Never

If I didn't use LotS in every deck, my list might look different. But the thought of having over 20% of deckspace identical among top decks is so loathsome to me that I'd probably continue making great decks with fewer dominants even without LotS.
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« Reply #59 on: April 26, 2010, 02:08:52 PM »
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So after all of this discussion about the doms, what would the Teal Tomb decklist look like if you were going to take it to a tournament today?

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Re: T1-2P 1st Place - TealTomb
« Reply #60 on: April 26, 2010, 02:15:45 PM »
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So after all of this discussion about the doms, what would the Teal Tomb decklist look like if you were going to take it to a tournament today?
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Re: T1-2P 1st Place - TealTomb
« Reply #61 on: April 26, 2010, 02:17:21 PM »
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Obviously you missed a few card then, since you'd be silly not to play with Grapes and Mayhem, and Gabe is anything but silly.
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« Reply #62 on: April 26, 2010, 02:26:09 PM »
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So after all of this discussion about the doms, what would the Teal Tomb decklist look like if you were going to take it to a tournament today?

tgt + tgt heroes + territory destruction. cookie cutter at its finest.
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« Reply #63 on: April 26, 2010, 02:33:08 PM »
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So after all of this discussion about the doms, what would the Teal Tomb decklist look like if you were going to take it to a tournament today?

tgt + tgt heroes + territory destruction. cookie cutter at its finest.
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Re: T1-2P 1st Place - TealTomb
« Reply #64 on: April 26, 2010, 02:59:40 PM »
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So after all of this discussion about the doms, what would the Teal Tomb decklist look like if you were going to take it to a tournament today?

It looks many different ways depending on your preference and what you're trying. 

To truely be "TealTomb" you'll have to have a core teal offense to power your way through your opponent's defense.  You'll also most likely have white to include the "garden girls".  Beyond that you can splash in another brigade or 2 as you see fit. 

It's easy to combine green with teal because of the Jeremiah and Zacheriah, which also gives you Joanna.  Gold has The Woman at the Well and Meeting the Messiah, which both work well with TGT.  Purple also works well with Teal thanks to Melchizedek and that gives you AoCp and John.  Silver can work well with Joshua the High Priest and 'He is Risen' (if you use it).  Red gives you Peter, Jephthan and The Lord Fights for You.  Blue is the only brigade that doesn't have much to offer apart from Mary Magdalene.  The real trick is figuring out which one(s) will work best and still keeping your deck at 50 cards.  I don't claim to have found the best answer yet.

Add whatever stand along defense works best for you.
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Re: T1-2P 1st Place - TealTomb
« Reply #65 on: April 26, 2010, 04:22:19 PM »
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Obviously you missed a few card then, since you'd be silly not to play with Grapes and Mayhem, and Gabe is anything but silly.
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Re: T1-2P 1st Place - TealTomb
« Reply #66 on: April 28, 2010, 01:08:56 AM »
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SoG-Always
NJ-Always
AotL-Always
CM - Always
DoN - 99% of the time
Burial - Almost never. Lampstand ftw.
FA - Same
GoyS - Same
Mayhem - Usually. A round 1 Mayhem when you're going first is brutal.
Grapes - Always
GotL - Only if I'm running a turtle
HT - Almost never
Doubt - Never

If I didn't use LotS in every deck, my list might look different. But the thought of having over 20% of deckspace identical among top decks is so loathsome to me that I'd probably continue making great decks with fewer dominants even without LotS.
My list is about the same, Cept FA finds its way into my turtle decks in case of a bad ec draw. Truth be told, Characters/Enhs>doms most of the time.
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« Reply #67 on: May 31, 2010, 02:56:43 PM »
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A few more things:
1. Did you find your heroes dying off quickly w/o chariot
2. Do you think 9 heroes w/o a chariot will last long enough and
3.  How often did you attack with the garden girls?
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« Reply #68 on: May 31, 2010, 03:32:15 PM »
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A few more things:
1. Did you find your heroes dying off quickly w/o chariot
2. Do you think 9 heroes w/o a chariot will last long enough and
3.  How often did you attack with the garden girls?

1) No, my Heroes were usually pretty hard to kill because of various forms of protection.  I had U&T to help me choose the best one to ensure their safety.

2) No, 9 Heroes is more than enough to win a game.  The only reason I'd even consider adding Chariot today is if you fear Darius' Decree with all the set-aside enhancements this deck uses.

3) Every time I knew they could rescue a LS, meaning TGT was active and there were less than 2 of my opponent's evil brigade(s) in play.
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« Reply #69 on: May 31, 2010, 03:42:08 PM »
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For the third question, did you attack with them at all when you won 5-0?
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Re: T1-2P 1st Place - TealTomb
« Reply #70 on: May 31, 2010, 03:55:40 PM »
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I rarely won 5-0 with this deck.  In fact, at Nationals I was surprised to see that I did win one round 5-0.  It was in round 5 against an undefeated Kurt Hake who unfortunately only drew one evil character the entire game (and it didn't live longer than a turn).  Any Hero could rescue a LS in that situation but that's not really a "game".

I had a similar 5-0 win against EmJayBee at Iowa States.

Then at NC Regionals I won one game 5-0 but it was against an inexperienced guy.

When you face another good player who gets a normal draw this defense is going to give up at least one LS.  Just don't give up more than 4. ;)
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« Reply #72 on: June 12, 2010, 10:23:49 AM »
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Well done Mr. Gabe.
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