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Re: T1-2P 1st Place - TealTomb
« Reply #25 on: August 03, 2009, 11:23:57 PM »
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I can't recall exactly but at least 4 out of 8, maybe more.  Most of the decks at the table on the stage (spots 1-4) contained TGT all day in T1-2P.

I wonder if Cactus is still claiming the card is well-balanced and that they don't make broken things.

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Re: T1-2P 1st Place - TealTomb
« Reply #26 on: August 03, 2009, 11:24:21 PM »
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I can't recall exactly but at least 4 out of 8, maybe more.  Most of the decks at the table on the stage (spots 1-4) contained TGT all day in T1-2P.

I wonder if Cactus is still claiming the card is well-balanced and that they don't make broken things.

buh-roken.

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Re: T1-2P 1st Place - TealTomb
« Reply #27 on: August 03, 2009, 11:51:33 PM »
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Re: T1-2P 1st Place - TealTomb
« Reply #28 on: August 04, 2009, 12:12:34 AM »
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I can't recall exactly but at least 4 out of 8, maybe more.  Most of the decks at the table on the stage (spots 1-4) contained TGT all day in T1-2P.

I wonder if Cactus is still claiming the card is well-balanced and that they don't make broken things.

 Having a powerful card that a lot of top decks use is hardly a sign of "brokenness". Next tourney season, it's gonna be some other card people are whining about(my money is on Samaritain Agua Recepticle). TGT already has counters, even before the latest set. One of my personal favorite counters is to splash TGT Heroes into my own decks to use their own Tomb against them.

 Regarding Gabe's deck, the offense is brutal as always, but I'm absolutely shocked that nobody could shred that paper thin defense. That's just nuts. That Plot made all the difference in the world, as Gabe already attested.
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Re: T1-2P 1st Place - TealTomb
« Reply #29 on: August 04, 2009, 12:27:20 AM »
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I think people did shred through it.  Gabe probably only successfully blocked a couple of times.  But that was all he needed.  His deck is faster than the opponents, so he wins.

Props on the win, Gabe.  Great deck. :)

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Re: T1-2P 1st Place - TealTomb
« Reply #30 on: August 05, 2009, 01:29:03 PM »
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I just noticed that none of the Lost Soul cards in this deck are RoA ones. Were RoA souls uncommon to see in top decks?
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Re: T1-2P 1st Place - TealTomb
« Reply #31 on: August 05, 2009, 01:37:44 PM »
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The only change I would make is switch Prince of this World for Trembling Demon.  You already have HoH, and Prince can be easily bypassed.

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Re: T1-2P 1st Place - TealTomb
« Reply #32 on: August 05, 2009, 01:42:09 PM »
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i was surprised to see hoh in the deck to begin with. is fbtn prevalent again?
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Re: T1-2P 1st Place - TealTomb
« Reply #33 on: August 05, 2009, 02:36:49 PM »
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I just noticed that none of the Lost Soul cards in this deck are RoA ones. Were RoA souls uncommon to see in top decks?

That's an interesting point.  I don't recall seeing many RoA souls at the top tables in T1.  A couple people were using the "deck discard" LS because they had Sites.  That's really all I remember facing.  T2 was a very different story however.  There were lots of RoA souls in T2.

The only change I would make is switch Prince of this World for Trembling Demon.  You already have HoH, and Prince can be easily bypassed.

I agree with you on that concept.  In fact I agree so much that the original defense (that turned out to be terrible) had Trembling Demon instead of PotW.  The problem I found is that Trembling Demon is only good for one block and then only if I have drawn HoH and have it active.  In other words, too often he wasn't working out. 

PotW on the other hand didn't require me to draw another card (HoH) or have it active.  He's not guaranteed to make a successful block but he can often make several or at least keep an opponent at bay for a few turns.  When he loses he uses up a battle winner (or AotL) allowing him (via SSoS) or KoT to make a successful block later.  He's also big enough to stand up to a FBTN character who doesn't have backup.

i was surprised to see hoh in the deck to begin with. is fbtn prevalent again?

Surprisingly, yes.  I played against two FBTN decks in 8 rounds.  John is also pretty popular thanks to TGT and he stops my entire defense.  HoH is also a Temple Artifact for Filling Z's Temple.  It can sit in the temple to protect another active Artifact from Capture Ark.  It satisfies Uzzah's appetite on the occasion that I have no other need for it.
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Re: T1-2P 1st Place - TealTomb
« Reply #34 on: August 05, 2009, 02:39:43 PM »
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The problem I found is that Trembling Demon is only good for one block
Just as you use SSoS for Prince, SSoS also allows you to use TD twice. :)

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Surprisingly, yes.  I played against two FBTN decks in 8 rounds.
I also played 2.  One was a TGT splash, but the other was a 100% FTBN deck with like 7 heroes. 

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Re: T1-2P 1st Place - TealTomb
« Reply #35 on: August 05, 2009, 02:46:08 PM »
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Abiathar Vs Amariah  Protected from d/c vs Cannot be interrupted enhancements.  Do Abiathars protection help you more than what you might have gained via amariah's ability?  Plust amariah is another High Priest for U&T.
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Re: T1-2P 1st Place - TealTomb
« Reply #36 on: August 05, 2009, 03:03:11 PM »
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Abiathar Vs Amariah  Protected from d/c vs Cannot be interrupted enhancements.  Do Abiathars protection help you more than what you might have gained via amariah's ability?  Plust amariah is another High Priest for U&T.

Abiathar is amazing.  I've had people block him with Zimri only to find that they just suicided (is that a word?) their king for nothing.  I've had games where I open up with him and U&T to find out my opponent is holding CM.  I proceded to make three straight rescues that they couldn't use their dominant to stop.  Those are best case scenerios though.  Mostly I like to look at their hand with U&T and if they have CM then I know he's my rescuer. 

The one mistake I remember making in all my T1 games was looking to see that my opponent was holding CM and then, like an idiot, rescuing with Ahimaaz instead of Abiathar and getting CM'd. :P
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Re: T1-2P 1st Place - TealTomb
« Reply #37 on: January 05, 2010, 07:21:58 PM »
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I'm just a beginner but my suggestion is:



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Re: T1-2P 1st Place - TealTomb
« Reply #38 on: January 05, 2010, 07:24:24 PM »
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dude gabe is a natinal champion he knows what he's doing.
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Re: T1-2P 1st Place - TealTomb
« Reply #39 on: January 05, 2010, 07:28:50 PM »
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The problem with that suggestion is that the won nationals BEFORE Darius' decree was available... but it would be a good card.
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Re: T1-2P 1st Place - TealTomb
« Reply #40 on: January 05, 2010, 10:24:17 PM »
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needs more buckler.
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« Reply #41 on: January 05, 2010, 10:27:40 PM »
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Re: T1-2P 1st Place - TealTomb
« Reply #42 on: April 24, 2010, 11:14:10 PM »
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2 questions:
1. when you played first fruits wat did you usually discard and
2. how often did you use burial? For a serious torunament like state, regoinals or even Nats, would you recommend takin it out or keepin it in?
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Re: T1-2P 1st Place - TealTomb
« Reply #43 on: April 24, 2010, 11:47:10 PM »
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1. when you played first fruits wat did you usually discard?

The choice is pretty situational.  Sometimes I would discard another of the set-aside Enhancements since they can all be recurred with Joiada.  Sometimes I would discard GoYS if they'd played Falling Away already, or HT if they were playing Sites.  Occasionally I could spare a Hero.  Sometimes there were situations where Filling Z's Temple, Trumpet Blast or Holy Unto the Lord could be spared.

2. how often did you use burial? For a serious torunament like state, regoinals or even Nats, would you recommend takin it out or keepin it in?

Never.  Look at the top 3 decks from Nationals for the past several years.  Do you see any that didn't use Burial?  No. 

Since 2005 we have 12 of the 15 decklists published that placed in the top 3 at Nationals.  Almost all of them used all 9 Dominants.  There are only three that omitted any of them.  One left out GoYS, one left out GoYS and HT and another left out DoN.  I would venture to say that even those decks could have been better if they'd included the other Dominants.

Ask yourself, if most of the top decks are using these cards, is there any reaons I shouldn't include them?
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Re: T1-2P 1st Place - TealTomb
« Reply #44 on: April 25, 2010, 12:50:10 AM »
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to be original and not net-deck. ::)
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« Reply #45 on: April 25, 2010, 01:01:50 AM »
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Re: T1-2P 1st Place - TealTomb
« Reply #46 on: April 25, 2010, 01:12:13 AM »
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I beat an Alstad today with a deck containing one Evil dom and like four good ones. Just sayin.
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Re: T1-2P 1st Place - TealTomb
« Reply #47 on: April 25, 2010, 01:13:50 AM »
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Decks with a low number of Dominants can compete in T1, just not at the top levels.

T2 on the other hand... you can win without even putting SoG in your deck.  ::)
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Re: T1-2P 1st Place - TealTomb
« Reply #48 on: April 25, 2010, 01:14:07 AM »
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How good is this deck in the current metagame? Will it be a force at this years nats?

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Re: T1-2P 1st Place - TealTomb
« Reply #49 on: April 25, 2010, 01:17:47 AM »
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This deck, and variations upon it still do just fine.
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