Author Topic: 2009 T2-2P 1st Place (Read 32814 times)

RTSmaniac · « **on:** July 27, 2009, 03:21:39 AM »

Builder: Clift Crysel
Player: Gabe Isbell
Cards: 100

Neutral Cards 18:
1   Holy of Holies
1   The Ends of the Earth
1   Lost Soul (can't be prevented)
2   Lost Soul (female only)
2   Lost Soul (first round)
2   Lost Soul (hopper)
2   Lost Soul (N.T. only)
2   Lost Soul (revealer)
2   Lost Soul (shame)
1   Lost Soul (site discard)
2   Lost Soul (wanderer)

Good Cards 41:
1   I am Holy
1   I am Redemption
3   I am Creator
1   Zerubbabel's Temple
5   Claudia
5   Ethiopian Treasurer
1   Joiada, Son of Eliashib
1   Passover & Unleavened Bread
1   Pentecost
5   Book of Hozai
5   Book of Jashar
2   Cup of Wrath
5   Reach of Desperation
5   Great Faith

1   Christian Martyr
1   Destruction of Nehushtan
1   Besieged
2   Captured Ark
5   Archers of Kedar
2   Arrogance
1   King Tiglath Pileser III
1   King Sargon II
1   The Rabsaris
5   Assyrian Archer
5   Words of Discouragement
1   Captured by Assyria
5   Two Thousand Horses
5   Confusion
5   Sin in the Camp

Clifts original version and post:
SPEED CAMP
(A.K.A would the real JDS please stand up...)

Offence:41
Defence:41
Nuetrals:18

LS:14
Hopper x2

Holy of Holies
The Ends of the Earth

FORT: 2
Z-Temple
Assyrian Camp

COVENANTS/CURSES: 5/3
I am Redemption
I am Holy
I am Creator x3
Captured Ark x2
Besieged

HEROS: 11
Claudia x5
ET x5
Joiada, Son of Eliashib x1

ENHANCMENTS: 24
Reach x5
Great Faith x5
Book of Hozai x5
Book of Jasher x5
Cup of Wrath x2
Pentecost
Passover & Unleavened Bread

EVIL CHARACTERS: 13
Archers of Kedar x5
Assyrian Archers x4
Messenger of Satan x2
King Sargon II
King Asnappar

ENHANCMENTS: 23
Arrogance x2
Confusion x5
2K Horses x5
Words of Discouragement x5
Sin in the Camp x5
Captured by Assyria

EVIL DOMINANTS: 1
Destruction of Nehushtan

TechnoEthicist · « **Reply #1 on:** July 27, 2009, 08:53:00 AM »

Side Battles galore and hand discarding, it can work

Captain Kirk · « **Reply #2 on:** July 27, 2009, 08:57:12 AM »

Clift,
I like the changes that you made, good job. It makes the deck more versatile, especially not having to worry about a protect fortress in territory protecting a glut of ECs, but rather placing them under once a turn with Passover & Unleavened. Just an observation, why did you cut down to one copy of Holy of Holies? In my experience, I've found that artifact to be crucial. If I hit a drawing frenzy but come up short and can't finish the job in a side battle, then I have to put back the unplayed drawn cards if they block FBN, which stacks worthless cards on the top of the deck. I guess it would depend on how much FBN you see, definitely.

And BubbleBoy,
Ahh the beauty of T2 combo decks.

In a Sin in the Camp deck, you draw through your deck as quickly as possible and create a side battle to play three copies of Words of Discouragement to make your opponent place his entire hand on top of his deck. You proceed to play up to 5 copies of Confusion to nuke all of your opponent's good dominants in their deck. We all know that no player would ever use 6 good dominants in T2, so no worries about that. Then you finish it off by playing 3-5 copies of Sin in the Camp. Then every turn, your opponent draws three cards and is forced to place them all below his deck. With no hand, he is stuck with what is on the table to try to win still. It is not impossible to get back in the game, but unlikely most of the time. This type of the deck usually sets up fairly early, before the opponent has a chance to get enough cards in play to counter it.

Brad,
No hand discarding, simply making you place them back on the top of the deck.
Kirk

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #3 on:** July 27, 2009, 09:09:59 AM »

Quote from: Captain Kirk on July 27, 2009, 08:57:12 AM

And BubbleBoy,
Ahh the beauty of T2 combo decks. In a Sin in the Camp deck, you draw through your deck as quickly as possible and create a side battle to play three copies of Words of Discouragement to make your opponent place his entire hand on top of his deck. You proceed to play up to 5 copies of Confusion to nuke all of your opponent's good dominants in their deck. We all know that no player would ever use 6 good dominants in T2, so no worries about that. Then you finish it off by playing 3-5 copies of Sin in the Camp. Then every turn, your opponent draws three cards and is forced to place them all below his deck. With no hand, he is stuck with what is on the table to try to win still. It is not impossible to get back in the game, but unlikely most of the time. This type of the deck usually sets up fairly early, before the opponent has a chance to get enough cards in play to counter it.

also, Passover & Unleavened Bread can take care of any evil character problems.

this deck shut me down two years ago at nationals. it's a beast.

how do you get around a tough storehouse? or King Lemuel? you have one shot to kill them...

Sean · « **Reply #4 on:** July 27, 2009, 09:48:28 AM »

I'm glad that a deck like this won a big tournament. Hopefully more people will begin to use cards that get rid of placed Enhancements with this win as well as with the new cards from TexP.

Only thing I would change would be to use Forgotten History instead of Captured by Assyria because it can get rid of Enhancements in the discard pile which could be used with recursion.

TechnoEthicist · « **Reply #5 on:** July 27, 2009, 09:55:10 AM »

Bah, its the same premise, you just put them at the bottom of your deck instead of the discard pile, long story short, you can't play with the cards you draw

Captain Kirk · « **Reply #6 on:** July 27, 2009, 09:57:56 AM »

Barring a loaded Storehouse, the only way they could recur enhancements would be with Asher/Micah or a hero with a placed recursion enhancement (Battle Prayer, Book of Gad the Seer, M&E, etc). Asher/Micah send to deck, so there are no worries there.

Captured by Assyria is probably to take out any heroes that might give his banding fits, less than winning a battle.

Kirk

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #7 on:** July 27, 2009, 11:47:42 AM »

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Only thing I would change would be to use Forgotten History instead of Captured by Assyria because it can get rid of Enhancements in the discard pile which could be used with recursion.

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Captured by Assyria is probably to take out any heroes that might give his banding fits, less than winning a battle.

Ahh again the beauty of side battles:
I cup of wrath play the lock on defence and finish with captured by assyria to capture my own Claudia+ET so it cant be negated

i then activate I am redemption to bring them right back

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #8 on:** July 27, 2009, 11:52:04 AM »

Quote from: Captain Kirk on July 27, 2009, 09:57:56 AM

the only way they could recur enhancements would be with Asher/Micah or a hero with a placed recursion enhancement (Battle Prayer, Book of Gad the Seer, M&E, etc). Asher/Micah send to deck, so there are no worries there.

Well, there is Grain Belt.
Joiada+Grain Offering+Alter of Burnt.

Master KChief · « **Reply #9 on:** July 27, 2009, 11:56:54 AM »

this deck is the reason cards need to be restricted/banned. there is almost absolutely no way to get past this once it sets up. good job on the combo deck.

Captain Kirk · « **Reply #10 on:** July 27, 2009, 12:06:57 PM »

I was wrong on Joiada.

It slipped my mind about capturing Claudia/ET. I always use Deceit of Sapphira (w) in case I didn't have two Assyrians in play to make sure I could capture both.

And MKC, are you just now realizing that nigh impossible to beat, once set up, combos exist?

Haha, they've been around since 2004, leading to one rule change after another.... the first Sin in the Camp combo deck, made by Justin Sangillo and possibly Tim Maly as well, specifically caused the errata on the card itself. Before, you had to reveal one dominant per copy of SitC.

I'd like to point out the fact, that prior to this season, no T2 combo deck had won anything higher than a state level tournament. This season, three regional tournaments were won by different T2 combo decks. The approach varied, the end result was the same: little to nothing your opponent could do to stop you!

Kirk

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #11 on:** July 27, 2009, 12:08:36 PM »

i know that one ls gives me fits:

when you draw this ls you may discard an evil card in your territory to make an opponent discard a good card from hand or territory (i think)

if they're only playing four good doms then this is my next confusion target

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the first Sin in the Camp combo deck, made by Justin Sangillo and possibly Tim Maly as well, specifically caused the errata on the card itself. Before, you had to reveal one dominant per copy of SitC.

yea i tried to give props in the deck title. every since i saw the idea for the deck ive played and modified the list past three or four years. this is an all or nothing combo deck which usually will set up on turn 3 or 4.
A highly addictive deck that can torment both you and your opponent and cheap to build for all you beginners out there.

Now dont let me down- I want to hear about all the Sin in the Camp decks that gave Captain Kirk, Mr. Hiatus, Lawfuldog, Xerospash and all of the rest of the type 2 powerhouses a fit at Nationals this year k guys so get to builing.

Captain Kirk · « **Reply #12 on:** July 27, 2009, 02:34:07 PM »

Quote from: RTSmaniac on July 27, 2009, 12:08:36 PM

Now dont let me down- I want to hear about all the Sin in the Camp decks that gave Captain Kirk, Mr. Hiatus, Lawfuldog, Xerospash and all of the rest of the type 2 powerhouses a fit at Nationals this year k guys so get to builing.

Hand a few copies to RLKs!

Krik

The Guardian · « **Reply #13 on:** July 27, 2009, 02:43:56 PM »

What happens when your opponent just discards his hand and attacks with Zebulun 7 straight turns?

Sean · « **Reply #14 on:** July 27, 2009, 02:58:45 PM »

Cup of Wrath => Archers

The Guardian · « **Reply #15 on:** July 27, 2009, 03:14:30 PM »

I suppose, but that would mean he would need to make a rescue before clearing out the opponents ECs with P&UB, which could give the opponent a chance to draw/search/do nasty stuff while blocking.

I guess my point is, I think Christian Martyr makes this deck better than it is now.

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #16 on:** July 27, 2009, 05:07:59 PM »

i never let my opponent block:

claudia+et draw pentecost
claudia+et draw cup+evil lock capture claudia+et
i am redemption walk in for the win

slugfencer · « **Reply #17 on:** July 27, 2009, 07:10:02 PM »

Awesome deck!! It wasted me!

Did you actually have this one pre-built before the tourney?

Hey wait....there goes my hand!!!

XeroSplash · « **Reply #18 on:** July 27, 2009, 07:48:14 PM »

He didn't use this deck against me, because he knew it wouldn't beat me. He's played me twice with this deck or a similar one and lost twice to me. So he had to build a deck that was specifically an Anti-Eric deck. Ya, it smoked me....

Eric "c'est la vie" Largent

lightningninja · « **Reply #19 on:** July 27, 2009, 07:53:24 PM »

Yeah Justin, I was wondering about heroes myself. Can you stop two or three gathered angel banding together? Zebulen? There are a lot of heroes that cause problems that do not need enhancements. Also, one assyrian camp discarder and Women as Snares kills your defense and allows them to walk in.

EDIT: I think the only REAL weakness to this deck is an opponent's side battles. If they discard Z-temple your screwed. One side battle at the beginning of the game and they discard your z-temple and now you can't get rid of any evil characters. Now they can win any number of blocks with king of tyrus and prince of this world.

At the same time, way to go. Nice win with a very cool and unordinary deck. Well done.

lightningninja · « **Reply #20 on:** July 27, 2009, 08:05:07 PM »

Wait a minute... I know this is kind of hilarious but... what do you do against cup of mana?

Do you just lose?

Sean · « **Reply #21 on:** July 27, 2009, 08:11:58 PM »

He wins versus "cup of manna" because it doesn't exist.

lightningninja · « **Reply #22 on:** July 27, 2009, 08:12:52 PM »

What about "Pot of mana?"

You know what I meant...

Sean · « **Reply #23 on:** July 27, 2009, 08:16:10 PM »

Pot of Manna? That's probably when he uses DoN.

sk · « **Reply #24 on:** July 27, 2009, 08:31:56 PM »

And on the other 2 copies? If somebody is insane enough to include it, they go all out.

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Author Topic: 2009 T2-2P 1st Place (Read 32814 times)

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