Author Topic: 2009 T2-2P 1st Place (Read 31403 times)

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #25 on:** July 27, 2009, 08:48:36 PM »

Nope, I've only got 2 in my deck.

lightningninja · « **Reply #26 on:** July 27, 2009, 08:53:02 PM »

I'm gonna have up to 3. I have seen a lot of people relying on side battles... I think it's a good card.

SerpentSlayer · « **Reply #27 on:** July 27, 2009, 09:00:28 PM »

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Yeah Justin, I was wondering about heroes myself. Can you stop two or three gathered angel banding together? Zebulen? There are a lot of heroes that cause problems that do not need enhancements. Also, one assyrian camp discarder and Women as Snares kills your defense and allows them to walk in.

Yeah, you don't get blocked by this deck most of the time. It usually only takes about 3 or 4 turns and you lose so it doesn't really matter at all.

lightningninja · « **Reply #28 on:** July 27, 2009, 09:11:54 PM »

No, this deck doens't cause you to lose. It caused you to have no hand. If your heroes can win with no hand (fbtn, banding) then you still have a pretty good chance cause he doesn't have very many battle winners.

sk · « **Reply #29 on:** July 27, 2009, 09:25:57 PM »

Quote from: SoulSaver on July 27, 2009, 09:00:28 PM

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Yeah Justin, I was wondering about heroes myself. Can you stop two or three gathered angel banding together? Zebulen? There are a lot of heroes that cause problems that do not need enhancements. Also, one assyrian camp discarder and Women as Snares kills your defense and allows them to walk in.

Yeah, you don't get blocked by this deck most of the time. It usually only takes about 3 or 4 turns and you lose so it doesn't really matter at all.

Welcome to California.

XeroSplash · « **Reply #30 on:** July 27, 2009, 09:45:53 PM »

I think you guys are missing how this deck works. It's called "Speed" Camp for a reason. If you can get Pot of Manna, Zebulun, or your Gathered characters within the first two or three turns, then your arguments are valid. But usually this gets set up VERY early and there's not a whole lot you can do to stop it. The occasional Angel of the Lord, Christian Martyr, or Unholy Writ help, but otherwise you sit there with no hand and you can't do anything because you have no hand, can't draw any more cards, and usually don't have the characters you need in order to win. But ya, like I said, Clift made several mistakes in the two games he played me and it ended up biting him in the butt. Because this is an all or nothing deck. Either you get the combo off or you lose. There's not really any other options. This is not a deck that can win without the combo, just as the first poster stated.

Eric "can't win them all" Largent

The Guardian · « **Reply #31 on:** July 27, 2009, 10:33:14 PM »

Quote from: RTSmaniac on July 27, 2009, 05:07:59 PM

i never let my opponent block:

claudia+et draw pentecost
claudia+et draw cup+evil lock capture claudia+et
i am redemption walk in for the win

You can only do that once however, since you only have one Captured by Assyria. I still don't see how not having Christian Martyr is better than having it. I realize that you have 5 Claudia's and 5 ETs but there are gonna be games where you don't draw one or the other right away and the opponent is gonna be able to set some stuff up.

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #32 on:** July 28, 2009, 12:54:55 AM »

Believe me, i understand your logic Justin-

the problem with dominants in this deck is that they take up very valuble card slots in your hand dedicated to the lock down of your opponent
as long as the deck stays at 100 cards and you keep the combo peices and draw cards-
any type of tech can be added to the decklist according to preferance.

i do not doubt that christian martyr would only benefit the deck but you probably couldnt commit to holding it too long in your hand.
same for son of god just for a quick block.

i used to have king sword in the decklist just for red dragon but took it out for joiada+z-temp
jephthah, another ends of the earth, and one aoc was also included as well as philosophy but this is the current build.

one of my favorite plays with the deck is when im having to rely on what i call a soft lock aka 2 sincamp in territory and i activate i am holy and then place hand discarder in ends of the earth...

the mvp of the deck...words of discouragement
i like having aoc in the deck because it is an instant gabriel grab-the funny thing is after using Mr. Hiatus as a guinea pig for the deck over the years he finally figured out if you take out WoD you beat the deck.

archers are for opponents heros- belive me ive killed plenty of gathered guys
oh yea and besieged in battle is fun for j tower

i really look foward to playtesting grapes of wrath in the deck and will prob add another assyrian archer when i get one even though i think 4 is best

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #33 on:** July 28, 2009, 12:56:09 AM »

Or I sit back and laugh as I draw 10 sites in the first 4 turns...

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #34 on:** July 28, 2009, 01:11:27 AM »

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Or I sit back and laugh as I draw 10 sites in the first 4 turns...

...and i laugh as you dont get to play with the cards that you spent probably hours on deciding to put in your deck

The Guardian · « **Reply #35 on:** July 28, 2009, 01:35:58 AM »

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i like having aoc in the deck because it is an instant gabriel grab-the funny thing is after using Mr. Hiatus as a guinea pig for the deck over the years he finally figured out if you take out WoD you beat the deck.

Ha, I know how that goes. When I built my combo deck back in the day, I had two copies of AoCP. Fortunately my opponents usually went for one of those instead of discarding Coat of Many Colors and making it very hard for me to pull it off...

Captain Kirk · « **Reply #36 on:** July 28, 2009, 09:21:20 AM »

Quote from: RTSmaniac on July 28, 2009, 12:54:55 AM

the mvp of the deck...words of discouragement
i like having aoc in the deck because it is an instant gabriel grab-the funny thing is after using Mr. Hiatus as a guinea pig for the deck over the years he finally figured out if you take out WoD you beat the deck.

The funny thing is, Tyler did that same discard against my combo deck at Nationals two years ago the first time he played it. Notice a trend?

I do find it interesting that you only use two copies of Cup of Wrath. That would be the easiest card for someone to knock out with two Gabriel discards to keep you from pulling off the side battle, compared to knocking out 3 WoD. I include 3 copies of Cup so they can't keep me from winning by two early Gabriel attacks.

Kirk

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #37 on:** July 28, 2009, 09:57:55 AM »

i agree

Gabe · « **Reply #38 on:** July 31, 2009, 03:35:19 AM »

Ladies and gentlemen, this deck is for real. Mad props to Clift for sharing it with the Redemption community. His advice over the phone this morning was also very valuable.

I was able to regularly go off by the 5th turn (or sooner) and completely devestate 5 of my 6 opponents. Of course Mr. Hiatus showed why he is one of the elite in T2 by giving me a sound beating. Thank God for the grace to keep us humble.

The deck is a lot of fun to play with, but probably not a lot of fun to play against. My opponents were all very good sports though.

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #39 on:** July 31, 2009, 01:11:26 PM »

7-0
7-2
7-0
7-0
1-7
7-1

says it all i think

can we get a play by play for each game BrianGabe?

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #40 on:** July 31, 2009, 01:19:41 PM »

Gabe used this deck? A combo deck won Nationals? Wow, this is huge news.

SerpentSlayer · « **Reply #41 on:** July 31, 2009, 01:39:17 PM »

lol because it's the first time a skilled player played a really good combo deck. Congrats GABE!!!! Big props homie!

The Guardian · « **Reply #42 on:** July 31, 2009, 01:45:20 PM »

Quote from: SoulSaver on July 31, 2009, 01:39:17 PM

lol because it's the first time a skilled player played a really good combo deck. Congrats GABE!!!! Big props homie!

Not true...Kirk used a combo deck in 2007 and finished third after having one game with an awful draw. I used a combo deck back in 2005 (the original version of the deck Kirk used) but got very unlucky in the opening two rounds and lost those games. Ron Sias has been using combo decks in T2 for many years now (including the one that brought about the side battle ruling change). Props to Clift for refining this deck and Gabe for successfully piloting it, but it's not the first "good" combo deck.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #43 on:** July 31, 2009, 01:47:13 PM »

That's a shot to combo runners everywhere. Plenty of strong players have run them before, like the aforementioned Kirk and Justin.

SerpentSlayer · « **Reply #44 on:** July 31, 2009, 01:51:31 PM »

but they didn't win. And that in itself speaks loads. You can tell me all day so and so is great, but they didn't win it all did they. They were runners up or didn't even place.

The Guardian · « **Reply #45 on:** July 31, 2009, 02:02:40 PM »

So you're saying a player or deck isn't great unless they win it all? Wow... show a little respect man...

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #46 on:** July 31, 2009, 02:03:12 PM »

That doesn't make Kirk a bad player or Justin a bad player. Just because they didn't win with X deck at X tournament does not mean that they are not good.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #47 on:** July 31, 2009, 02:06:36 PM »

Winning it all at Nats isn't the only definition of greatness. I think that almost everyone would agree that Kirk and Justin are great T2 players.

I do find it interesting though that despite the popularity of T1 speed decks, Gabe was the first one to win Nats with one ('07). And despite the popularity of T2 combo decks, Gabe was the first one to win Nats with one as well ('09).

The Guardian · « **Reply #48 on:** July 31, 2009, 02:11:29 PM »

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Winning it all at Nats isn't the only definition of greatness. I think that almost everyone would agree that Kirk and Justin are great T2 players.

Though I do fit under that first definition also

I also agree that winning alone does not make a player "great."

Korunks · « **Reply #49 on:** July 31, 2009, 02:17:15 PM »

I think what defines a great player starts with their conduct before, after, and during games, anything else is just gravy.

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