Author Topic: 2013 T1-2P 1st place deck (Read 7684 times)

jbeers285 · « **on:** August 10, 2013, 03:35:11 AM »

So I gotta say I had not seen the 2008 deck prior to running this deck. Being relatively new to the game I am not familiar with a lot of the history of the game. I first realized the power of the hand control when Gabe destroyed me in the single elimination tourney Chris hosted. I loved the deck and wanted to try it out myself. I discussed the potential of me running it at nats with gabe the night before and he kindly obliged. I changed only few cards in the deck with some encouraging from Matt Townsend and Chris Ericson. Matt really pushed me to add Herod's Temple and Lampstand which I believe was the difference between 1st and about 10th. Chris seconded that opinion so I went for it.

Lost Souls 7
CbP
Deck Discard
Hand Discard
Site Doubler
NT only
Female Only
Resurrect

Dom's 7
SoG
NJ
AotL
Grapes
Mayhem
CM
VP

Sites -4
Caesarea Philippi
Nazareth
Golgotha
Chorazin

Forts-1
Herod's Temple

Art's - 1
Lampstand of the Sanctuary

Hero's -7
Joseph
Benjamin
Rachel
Eve
Dan
Zebulun
Simeon

GE - 6
Well Reopened
Cup of wrath
RTC
Joeseph before Pharoah
Forgiveness of Joesepj
Abe's Descendant

DBE - 1
Seven Years of Famine

EC - 9
Emp Vitellius
Emp Galba
Emp Agustus
Emp Tiberius
The Entrapping Pharisee
King Menhem
Mocking Soldiers
Pontius Pilate
Spirit of Temptation

EE's - 7
Coliseum Lions
Hypocrite's Proselyte
Sorrow of Mary
Heavy Taxes
Scattered
Gold Shield
Namaan's Chariot and Horses

I will be the first to admit after my frustration with Foreign Wives being OP I find it interesting that a deck not running her won Nats this year.

I will attempt to explains little more later, I admit I am not good at remembering specific plays or games or even opponents but ill do my best to put something up containing some play by play stuff.

czepp · « **Reply #1 on:** August 10, 2013, 07:35:02 AM »

Congrats Josiah!

_JM_ · « **Reply #2 on:** August 10, 2013, 08:57:13 AM »

Quote from: jbeers285 on August 10, 2013, 03:35:11 AM

I will be the first to admit after my frustration with Foreign Wives being OP I find it interesting that a deck not running her won Nats this year.

I also love the fact that this is a defensively-tilted balanced deck. Very nice.

Isildur · « **Reply #3 on:** August 10, 2013, 12:32:17 PM »

It seems much like last year the winning deck just took the competition by surprise.

Master KChief · « **Reply #4 on:** August 10, 2013, 12:38:29 PM »

Rogue decks always have a considerable advantage at top events due to it being non-meta in nature, therefore no one is teching against it.

jbeers285 · « **Reply #5 on:** August 10, 2013, 12:45:48 PM »

Quote from: Master KChief on August 10, 2013, 12:38:29 PM

Rogue decks always have a considerable advantage at top events due to it being non-meta in nature, therefore no one is teching against it.

This is the same reason I was able to take t2-2p last year. The rogue deck is fun to go with.

Only 3 of the top 8 ran naz so I found that interesting.

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #6 on:** August 10, 2013, 02:49:16 PM »

Congrats on the win man.

Why no Balaam's?

jbeers285 · « **Reply #7 on:** August 10, 2013, 03:40:59 PM »

Quote from: TheHobbit on August 10, 2013, 02:49:16 PM

Congrats on the win man.

Why no Balaam's?

The meta offense ran strong angel and captain. Also the FBTN Auto Moses bands are stopped with scattered which is just a better version.

Balaams may belong when not playing against the angels

Master KChief · « **Reply #8 on:** August 10, 2013, 03:42:57 PM »

I noticed that as well, but you have to consider the deck is only 51 cards, so space is very limited. Especially for a Gen/Rom deck, as there are so many super tasty cards that can go into it. But Balaams D is one of the most powerful tools Grey has ever had, and it would be the very last thing I would ever cut. I also do not understand its exclusion. The only thing I can think of is to have more consistency with Entrapping Pharisees by using a NT battle winner instead.

Isildur · « **Reply #9 on:** August 10, 2013, 04:38:35 PM »

If you run this deck again I think it might be a idea to consider running a 56 card version of the deck. With the extra five cards you could easily give the deck a little more end game/stopping power.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #10 on:** August 10, 2013, 05:00:41 PM »

I don't think you quite understand how the deck works in the current meta. Currently, there is a ton of pressure to play as many cards down as you can (Sorrow, Vain, Tibbles) because of the general meta defense, which is some variation of those 3 cards with support as liked (usually pharisees). Lots of people just toss stuff down and onto the field and roll with 4-7 card hands when they pass turn and tend to use dominants right away. Hand Control has a good matchup against that because its really easy to limit the hand when the hand is already being limited by the playstyle of the meta in many cases. I actually don't think the deck needs more end power because to me its power is derived from limiting the opponent to the top 3 cards of the deck on any given turn + the one or two cards you keep in your hand. That's just me though.

jbeers285 · « **Reply #11 on:** August 11, 2013, 03:29:16 AM »

Quote from: Isildur on August 10, 2013, 04:38:35 PM

If you run this deck again I think it might be a idea to consider running a 56 card version of the deck. With the extra five cards you could easily give the deck a little more end game/stopping power.

I personally feel like if I would change anything I would drop Emp Vit for another EC; perhaps The Terrifying Beast.

Townsend · « **Reply #12 on:** August 11, 2013, 04:54:13 AM »

Congrats man! You deserved it especially for playing a "bad deck"

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Gabe · « **Reply #13 on:** August 11, 2013, 02:17:44 PM »

A Genesis offense without Jacob? A Roman defense without RDJ?

The deck is 50 cards and needs to be to keep up with all he fast decks in the meta. I ran it at 56 up until last week when I could finally figure out what to take out to cut it down. I plan to start a separate post about the evolution of the deck and its weaknesses.

SiLeNcEd_MaTrIx · « **Reply #14 on:** August 11, 2013, 07:54:20 PM »

Congrats buddy, well deserved and very happy for you! Also really nice meeting you!

Jmbeers · « **Reply #15 on:** August 11, 2013, 08:14:27 PM »

Quote from: Gabe on August 11, 2013, 02:17:44 PM

A Genesis offense without Jacob? A Roman defense without RDJ?

The deck is 50 cards and needs to be to keep up with all he fast decks in the meta. I ran it at 56 up until last week when I could finally figure out what to take out to cut it down. I plan to start a separate post about the evolution of the deck and its weaknesses.

Hey Gabe I may have found a weakness For the deck. Me and Josiah met up and played 3 games after Nats. 15-7 my favor. (Played my competitive deck - no teching)

TimMierz · « **Reply #16 on:** August 12, 2013, 02:06:05 PM »

I haven't looked too carefully at this deck list, but I'm tickled pink that Genesis & Rome won another National tournament. Congratulations!

Master Q · « **Reply #17 on:** August 15, 2013, 08:48:23 PM »

Back at WI states and MW Regs I debated whether or not to use a deck very similar to this and ended up not doing that. Main reason was that deck was stuck at 56 cards because I couldn't decide what to cut. It had Foreign Wives, Canaan, Asher, and Job Overcomes in it to set up some fun plays, and Jubilee + Abe's Descend + Golgotha to (potentially) get back Heavy Taxes forever.

Seems strange that there's only 1 artifact and it's not I am Holy (that, Chariots, and Darius' Decree were the only arts I had in mine). I love the inclusion of Cup o' Wrath and Spirit o' Temptation, but I'd take Jacob over Benjamin any day for RTC preblock...

Props to you!

Josh · « **Reply #18 on:** September 09, 2013, 12:39:10 PM »

Quote from: Master Q on August 15, 2013, 08:48:23 PM

It had Foreign Wives, Canaan, Asher, and Job Overcomes in it to set up some fun plays

I didn't see this earlier, but I wanted to point out that any combos involving Foreign Wives, Canaan, and either Asher/Job Overcomes/Micah/etc. don't work. In each case, the "X" identifier is based on the number of evil brigades your opponent owns, not controls. And since your opponent doesn't own Foreign Wives, her brigades don't count towards the X.

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #19 on:** September 09, 2013, 04:40:00 PM »

Job Overcomes
For each evil brigade your opponent has in play, that opponent must discard an evil card from hand or battle. You may draw a card.

Elder confirmation?

Professoralstad · « **Reply #20 on:** September 09, 2013, 04:56:06 PM »

Quote from: RTSmaniac on September 09, 2013, 04:40:00 PM

Job Overcomes
For each evil brigade your opponent has in play, that opponent must discard an evil card from hand or battle. You may draw a card.

Elder confirmation?

jmhartz is correct. "Each brigade your opponent has in play" = "Each of your opponent's brigades in play" = "Each brigade on cards in play that your opponent owns and controls"

onethfour · « **Reply #21 on:** November 05, 2013, 07:13:40 AM »

Can someone please post all the ruletexts next to each card, i'm new to redemption and I want to see how it plays

bmc25 · « **Reply #22 on:** November 05, 2013, 08:33:39 AM »

Hey man! Welcome to the game of Redemption!

How to play this deck, and the "Hand Control" deck concept is explained in great detail here...

http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/complete-decks/hand-control-2013/

IF you want to know the "Special Abilities" on individual cards please see...

http://redemption.wikia.com/wiki/Redemption_Wiki

Hope that helps!

Again, Welcome!

onethfour · « **Reply #23 on:** November 07, 2013, 08:54:09 PM »

Is there a database (sqlite or excel) of all redemption cards and their types and ruletexts?
I'd like to make some cool utilities for fun (i'm a programmer)

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #24 on:** November 07, 2013, 11:50:09 PM »

http://covenantgames.com/RedList.zip

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Author Topic: 2013 T1-2P 1st place deck (Read 7684 times)

TheHobbit13