Author Topic: Type Testament (Read 12000 times)

Minister Polarius · « **on:** July 23, 2010, 04:32:54 AM »

Someone had an idea a while ago for a "Type Testament," where players would play with only N.T. decks, or only O.T. decks. Well I think that's just wonderful! I've built 5 Type Testament decks (2 N.T. and 3 O.T.), and I'm wondering if anyone else would like to play some games. I haven't played any TT games so far, but it seems that they can have incredible depth. For example, Divisions in the Church, a never-used card from Apostles, suddenly becomes a reliable battle-winner even against banding (since all characters in both decks are N.T., presenting an O.T. blocker is impossible!). New Jerusalem is useless in both Testaments, and Angel of the Lord is the only Dominant legal in both blocks. Speed suffers, because NT has SoG and TGT, but no Feast enhancements or Hur to abuse Gifts, while OT has no SoG or Grapes of Wrath and the 2-line Lost Soul is always a free block!

I am super excited about seeing how this type would actually play out. Any takers?

Smokey · « **Reply #1 on:** July 23, 2010, 01:21:25 PM »

I'll make a deck and we'll play later, sounds like fun

Red · « **Reply #2 on:** July 23, 2010, 01:46:17 PM »

So doing ot ones.

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #3 on:** July 24, 2010, 08:15:03 PM »

I'll make one or two up mate.

Captain Kirk · « **Reply #4 on:** July 24, 2010, 08:19:11 PM »

I like.

goldencomet · « **Reply #5 on:** July 24, 2010, 09:17:54 PM »

I wonder if this has a chance at making it to nats....

CJSports · « **Reply #6 on:** July 24, 2010, 10:53:59 PM »

It might but I doubt it just because its one more event they have to run and the deck checks would take quite awhile.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #7 on:** July 24, 2010, 11:19:14 PM »

Quote from: CJSports on July 24, 2010, 10:53:59 PM

It might but I doubt it just because its one more event they have to run and the deck checks would take quite awhile.

Not really when the LS check is being done all ya gotta do is check the references.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #8 on:** July 24, 2010, 11:36:56 PM »

Send me a PM or hit me up on Hamachi if you want to play TT. I'm equally excited about both, so idc which testament deck you've made.

Bryon · « **Reply #9 on:** October 27, 2010, 03:06:44 PM »

For the past few months since Pol posted this idea, I have been thinking about this more and more. I can't get over how much fun this sounds.

I'd love to see this as a tournament category someday, after players have given it sufficient testing. What if, in Type Testament, you had to bring an OT deck and a NT deck (each just a legal Type 1 deck except that cards can only be from the given testament)?

When you sit down to face an opponent, you begin with OT v OT.

As soon as the total number of rescued souls (of both players combined) equals 5 (or, in the case of double lock-outs, when both players have exhausted their decks), then you keep the redeemed souls where they are, remove all the rest of the cards from the game (regardless of protection, obviously), and both players switch to NT decks.

As soon as one player gets to 7 total rescued souls, he wins.

Would that work?

Red · « **Reply #10 on:** October 27, 2010, 03:13:48 PM »

why can't you bring one deck?

The Guardian · « **Reply #11 on:** October 27, 2010, 03:16:54 PM »

Other than requiring some extra time than a regular T1 game, I think this could work.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #12 on:** October 27, 2010, 03:19:35 PM »

Quote from: Red on October 27, 2010, 03:13:48 PM

why can't you bring one deck?

Because you can't have a deck that is both all OT and all NT...if you have enough cards to make either one, you should have enough cards to make both, since no card in the decks can be shared.

I love the idea. Maybe now that TEAMS is an official category, Type Testament can get a few trial runs as one of the unofficial categories at Nats. If Nats '11 is in MN (which, with my budget is probably the only way I could go), I would be more than willing to help out with such an event, and I'm sure I could get others to go along with the idea. Who's with me?

Red · « **Reply #13 on:** October 27, 2010, 03:23:13 PM »

I mean choose one of the types.Then play other players regardless of testament.

Korunks · « **Reply #14 on:** October 27, 2010, 03:34:30 PM »

Maybe we could have the first round be OT vs OT, then the next be NT vs NT, and then back to OT vs OT, etc. The advantage to this is we can keep the same round structure as T1 2P. Just my

browarod · « **Reply #15 on:** October 27, 2010, 03:39:39 PM »

I think the OT AotL would suddenly be worth quite a lot if this became an official category

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Sean · « **Reply #16 on:** October 27, 2010, 06:51:07 PM »

This sounds like an absolutely wonderful idea. The only thing mentioned to this point that I don't like is the idea about starting with an OT deck and then moving to a NT deck for just 2 LSs. If you're going to use both then I think you need to play to the same number of redeemed souls with each deck.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #17 on:** October 27, 2010, 08:32:49 PM »

Quote from: Sean on October 27, 2010, 06:51:07 PM

This sounds like an absolutely wonderful idea. The only thing mentioned to this point that I don't like is the idea about starting with an OT deck and then moving to a NT deck for just 2 LSs. If you're going to use both then I think you need to play to the same number of redeemed souls with each deck.

Bryon's idea was that the switch would be made when the total number of redeemed souls (yours and your opponent's) reached 5, so if you are playing an equally matched opponent with the OT decks (which would be even easier with no SoG) it is more likely you would switch when the game is 3-2.

It may not be the best way, but it certainly could be tried. The one thing I would suggest is that there either needs to be an individual deck size limit, or else a size limit for the combined decks.

Sean · « **Reply #18 on:** October 27, 2010, 11:08:46 PM »

I misunderstood what Bryon was saying. Seeing it explained like that makes a lot more sense.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #19 on:** October 28, 2010, 12:26:48 AM »

I still like the idea of OT vs NT and vice versa.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #20 on:** October 28, 2010, 11:06:32 AM »

Mayhem's OT. I'm having a lot of fun with that one.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #21 on:** October 28, 2010, 11:24:48 AM »

Quote from: Master Q on October 28, 2010, 12:45:30 AM

Quote from: SomeKittens on October 28, 2010, 12:26:48 AM
I still like the idea of OT vs NT and vice versa.

But then one deck has the cool doms and the other doesn't... seems unfair
If this happens, then it should be allowed that u can play your NJ with your opponent's SoG.
Unless of course, there's no dominants at all

OT Dominants:
Angel of the Lord (G deck)
New Jerusalem
Glory of the Lord
Destruction of Nehushtan
Mayhem

NT Dominants:
Angel of the Lord (All non G-deck versions)
Son of God
Harvest Time
Grapes of Wrath
Guardian of Your Souls
Falling Away
Christian Martyr
Burial

So the NT decks would definitely be more dominant heavy. Especially with Disciples giving all NT themes a huge boost, I don't think OT vs. NT would be great at this point.

Bryon · « **Reply #22 on:** October 28, 2010, 11:36:16 AM »

Agreed. Plus, the point is that the offenses would at least be dealing with like-testament defenses, and having to defeat them in like-testament ways.

For example, you can't rely on AoCp or A Child Is Born to defeat King of Tyrus. You'll have to find an OT way to beat that OT EC.

You can't use Zeal to beat Nero or Prince of This World. (I don't foresee a lot of Teal in the NT decks, though there is a nice hero and a decent battle-winner.)

One of my favorite parts of this is having to build decks without the usual staples and combos. Now I have to decide which 14 lost souls to use, which OT and which NT cards I will use for access, how my NT deck will deal with artifacts (probably Lying Unto God, since Destruction and Captured Ark are OT), etc.

A few cards that won't see much play: NT lost soul, New Jerusalem, and the Damascus site in Syrian decks.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #23 on:** October 28, 2010, 11:39:50 AM »

And the utter uselessness of the NT only lost soul. It'd be an interesting challenge for advanced players, but not useful for new players.

/kinda like type 2

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #24 on:** October 28, 2010, 01:05:03 PM »

Quote from: Bryon on October 28, 2010, 11:36:16 AM

Damascus site in Syrian decks.

I can almost assure you that this will not see less play...considering nobody plays Syrians anyway...

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