Author Topic: Type 1-2 Player Unofficial Banlist (Read 87037 times)

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #75 on:** June 29, 2011, 09:15:00 AM »

Quote from: Bryon on June 29, 2011, 01:04:27 AM

get a bigger playtesting team (not a bigger elder team, just a couple more playtesters) so we can turn out 3 sets per year and still test them all before printing

As usual, I'm always up for playtesting. I believe RDT and maybe a few other elders already want me to be one.

Red · « **Reply #76 on:** June 29, 2011, 09:24:36 AM »

Maybe for two-three sets could be pumped out virtually. so cactus doesn't lose money.

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #77 on:** June 29, 2011, 09:52:07 AM »

Don't listen to Ring Wraith, he played a 105 card Watchful Servant deck in multi. He's crazy and willing to do anything, you don't need play testers like that. Same with Lambo, he puts all the draw 2 play next enhancements in every deck. He loves them.

Smokey · « **Reply #78 on:** June 29, 2011, 10:57:22 AM »

It's rude to volunteer yourself for a position that isn't being offered. Did no one get the jist of his post?

SomeKittens · « **Reply #79 on:** June 29, 2011, 01:02:54 PM »

Quote from: Red on June 29, 2011, 09:24:36 AM

Maybe for two-three sets could be pumped out virtually. so cactus doesn't lose money.

^This. I'll suggest the idea to lp670sv. Though I don't think the problem is that Cactus is losing money, it's the time:cash ratio.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #80 on:** June 29, 2011, 02:24:41 PM »

Let's just rename this thread Shout out the name of your playgroup.

Smokey · « **Reply #81 on:** July 03, 2011, 10:18:02 PM »

I felt like being productive, and may not be on tomorrow so I updated this a day early.
NOTE: You can still post bans for this testing period for the rest of today and tomorrow.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #82 on:** July 03, 2011, 10:44:58 PM »

Ban list:
Gabe
Tim Maly
All of the Alstads

Red · « **Reply #83 on:** July 04, 2011, 10:54:56 AM »

Why not ban thad?

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #84 on:** July 04, 2011, 11:20:34 AM »

Quote from: Red on July 04, 2011, 10:54:56 AM

Why not ban thad?

Because he wasn't voted for and isn't overly good in T1?

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #85 on:** July 04, 2011, 11:25:35 AM »

TB Game report:

I played against Red. The absence of Mayhem allowed both of us to be more forthcoming with our drawing, which balanced out any pacing issues no NJ may have otherwise caused. No NJ allowed more strategic and immediate use of SoG which shaped the game in a major way. Soul drought was never a factor, and the game was won with strategy rather than brute force. I was very pleased with the absence of NJ and Mayhem.

Red · « **Reply #86 on:** July 04, 2011, 11:31:56 AM »

cept at end you had no souls due to my slightly stupid playing of soul manipulatly doms.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #87 on:** July 04, 2011, 11:34:20 AM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on July 04, 2011, 11:25:35 AM

TB Game report:

I played against Red. The absence of Mayhem allowed both of us to be more forthcoming with our drawing, which balanced out any pacing issues no NJ may have otherwise caused. No NJ allowed more strategic and immediate use of SoG which shaped the game in a major way. Soul drought was never a factor, and the game was won with strategy rather than brute force. I was very pleased with the absence of NJ and Mayhem.

Would you say your that you drew out faster or slower compared to standard play?

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #88 on:** July 04, 2011, 11:57:43 AM »

Slightly slower, but that due to 100% of my drawing cards being the bottom 10 cards.

Arch Angel · « **Reply #89 on:** July 10, 2011, 12:42:40 AM »

Game Report:

I played Nick (in several games). Overall I think the lack of Mayhem and NJ greatly increased the fun aspect of the game. It was now not so easy to wipe out 2 of the Lost Souls from your deck (still possible with Burial and SoG, but you only get 1 point for that instead of 2). I played with multiple different decks and found that themes that are normally sub-par actually competed fairly well.

Overall, I'd suggest banning three (I guess technically four) additional cards.

Falling Away
This card is essentially a "free block" in many cases. In a worse way than Christian Martyr, though, because you are letting your opponent win for a moment, and then taking that win away. also, while CM can only hit one hero, FA can stop a giant band. IN addition to these problems, it often eats up at least 2 cards slots in many decks, one for including it and one for countering it.
Lost Souls ("Two-Liner" & "Three-Liner")
Again, another free block. When combined with Son of God, Falling Away, or Burial, Hormah, the "Shuffler" Lost Soul, and various other cards this card easily stops opponents in their tracks for a turn. It's a card including in many top decks, one of the few non-dominant cards that can be said about.
Chariots of Fire
This card is included in practically every deck as a way to extend offense past the point of no return. In combination with cards like Asher and Micah, or even things such as Herod's Temple, it allows a deck to go on practically forever. As much as I like doing that, any card that finds its way into every deck needs to be taken down a notch.

Smokey · « **Reply #90 on:** July 10, 2011, 01:16:52 AM »

Game Report:

As stated above, played several games with Arch Angel. Nj and Mayhem being gone helped make the pace of the game be slower and more enjoyable. I ended up pooling SoG in my hand almost every game waiting for the 2-liner to be drawn so I wouldn't get locked out of a rescue, which was bothersome. I noticed that forced draw and deck discard offense / defense combo is extremely powerful because of the slower game pace and I feel it needs toning down.

Suggested Bans:

1. Lost Souls (2 and 3 lines)
Pooling SoG in your hand isn't fun, especially when you could use it strategically on another soul, or defensively.

2. Falling Away
Anti-fun, Eats card slots just to counter it in both Lampstand and GoYS.

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #91 on:** July 10, 2011, 01:58:47 PM »

Ws and HP are too conditional to be banned. Besides the ban list, in theory, is supposed to encourage strategy.

Josh · « **Reply #92 on:** July 10, 2011, 02:31:22 PM »

I will second the recent votes for 2/3 liner LS and Falling Away. I think that with this, only 4 cards are banned (5 I guess, including Guardian), but it will greatly increase the strategy and enjoyability of games.

However, I am concerned with what soulseeker hinted at earlier: That as the cards deemed "broken" are banned, then that makes newer cards the "most broken" and therefore people start requesting that they get banned as well.

Personally I think that no characters or enhancements should get the banhammer for now. AoCP is not as powerful when you don't have NJ in your deck, since you now have one more soul to rescue. And as for certain characters being called out (WS and HP II), before banning them, see if there is a meta adjustment first. Only a handful of players have even played Type Ban, and if forced draw/Herods/WS decks are the best, then there will be adjustments in future Type Ban decks to account for that.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #93 on:** July 10, 2011, 07:18:41 PM »

I don't like Iron Pan. Can we ban that?

Smokey · « **Reply #94 on:** July 10, 2011, 07:20:01 PM »

Fair enough, I knew I was jumping the gun slightly... I was concerned about it being an online category in which there is no time limit to make super defensive decks aswell but I guess we'll see what happens.

Quote from: SomeKittens on July 10, 2011, 07:18:41 PM

I don't like Iron Pan. Can we ban that?

Yes, infact the entire new set is banned for atleast a few more weeks.

Bobbert · « **Reply #95 on:** July 10, 2011, 09:51:04 PM »

Quote from: Smokey on July 10, 2011, 07:20:01 PM

Quote from: SomeKittens on July 10, 2011, 07:18:41 PM
I don't like Iron Pan. Can we ban that?

Yes, infact the entire new set is banned for atleast a few more weeks.

Dang, I was totally planning to play the new set on RTS this week, and bringing it to Nats so I didn't have to buy it there.

Captain Kirk · « **Reply #96 on:** July 10, 2011, 11:28:34 PM »

Quote from: BubbleBoy on June 27, 2011, 03:46:25 PM

SK, you're just talking about heroes and enhancements here. Did you go up against anyone who wasn't using SoG and NJ? I think 99.9% of decks that have ever placed in the top 10 at any tournament since NJ came out have used both those cards, at least in T1 categories.

I placed 3rd in T2 2p at nationals last year without SoG or NJ.

I also won EC Regionals 2 years ago in T2 2p without NJ.

I have placed in the top 5 of countless local, district, state, and regional tournaments in T1 2p without NJ (basically every time I play with a defensive deck).

Kirk

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #97 on:** July 11, 2011, 12:31:03 AM »

That Gabe guy won nats without SOG.

Captain Kirk · « **Reply #98 on:** July 11, 2011, 12:44:30 AM »

Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on July 11, 2011, 12:31:03 AM

That Gabe guy won nats without SOG.

When? You can look at all of his Nats winning decks for T1 2p and T2 2p in the Completed Decks forum and they all contain Son of God.... Not taking anything away from his victories, just being nit picky.

Kirk

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #99 on:** July 11, 2011, 01:03:14 AM »

Combo decks shouldn't count.

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Author Topic: Type 1-2 Player Unofficial Banlist (Read 87037 times)

Lamborghini_diablo

Rawrlolsauce!

Warrior_Monk

TheHobbit13

Rawrlolsauce!

Warrior_Monk