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So I know this isn't a new idea (hence the subject).
But what about adding "cost" to each card, like cards not to be allowed to be played willy-nilly.

Deck size >= 60
4 of each card allowed
Cost of card = converted cost --> strength + defense, if no strength/weakness then it costs 10
(cannot play card without tapping (turning) a lost soul you control, 1 lost soul gives 2 cost points upon tapping)
Infinite Lost Souls allowed, but at least 8 in a deck.
Lost souls untap before draw phase, and only 1 may be placed on your turn during non-battle phase.

To Win: Any ideas?

Rescuing lost souls is cool because it takes away cost points from your opponent, so it could be still rescue 5 or 6 lost souls. But I think i'd need to play it a little to try it out.
If anyone wants to try this variation with me, email me relipse at gmail dot com









I know, I know, as far as "keeping Christian theology" this doesn't really help.

I am new to redemption, so as I understand it you can only have 1 of each card that has a unique name and text, mtg lets you have 4 of each card, except a few cards like dem..tutor

My point is, you can have up to 1-4 peters, there is no limitation.

Do you have RTS? (and I know what you mean MTG in my opinion is a brilliant game, extremely strategic and fun)

Email me, and we can play. relipse at gmail

lol bad dayne no more victims for you 

How about instead of a Mana system, use a turn system?

Say a card has a turn value of 5, you can't play that card until turn 5 or later. There's no limit to how many cards you can play per turn, just when you're allowed to play them.

If you restrict down to one per turn it would be lambo's idea but worse. Also, wouldn't this make speed decks worse? Stack deck with lost souls, and just enough cards to win 5 and let the auto speed from the lost souls do the rest?

The idea is to stop powerful cards for free correct? Lost souls are auto played upon draw (redemption rule) so all you have to do is put a ton of lost souls in a deck, let the game rule itself draw your deck for you, put in a hand full of very powerful cards and outplay anyone who doesn't do the same due to simply having the most resources.

The other reason for having resources is because they reduce the viability of "super friends" decks, where everyone just picks the best characters and mooshes them all together. The problem with the proposals above (Lost Souls == manna and turn-based) is that they add little in this regard.

Anyways, here is a resource idea I have been playing around with...

• Each character card has an assigned cost of 0, 1, or 2.
• When you put that character in play you must pay that cost.
• The first character of a brigade has an added cost of 2.
• The second character of a brigade has an added cost of 1.
• Third and subsequent characters of a brigade are free of additional costs.
• When blocking on defense from hand, the total cost is reduced by 1.

You pay the cost with card(s) from the top of your deck.  So if you to pay a total cost of two you reveal the top two cards from your deck. Any lost souls go into play, any other cards are discarded.

Example: I pay 4 (2 for AUtO + 2 first sliver character) to put Angel Under the Oak in play. I make a rescue attempt and search/play Samuel paying 5 ( 1 for Samuel + 2 for first gold + 2 for first green), and I search/play King Saul paying 2 (0 for King Saul + 2 for first purple). After paying with 11 cards from my deck I now get to draw two cards, and possibly band in a hero to Samuel.

In addition to adding a cost per character that will vary based on the character's overall strength, it pushes people away from the super friends style of deck building. Best of all this type of resource mechanic will serve to limit the warping effects of dominants. After all, why should I spend slots on dominants that are going to get thrown away most of the time?

Quote from: EmJayBee83 on April 19, 2014, 10:07:48 AM

You pay the cost with card(s) from the top of your deck.  So if you to pay a total cost of two you reveal the top two cards from your deck. Any lost souls go into play, any other cards are discarded.

That system is way too harsh in my opinion. In the example you gave, you throw away a fifth of your deck in a single play.

Two things:

1) I picked a particularly harsh example, because AuTO/Samuel/King Saul is the absolute worst case of super friends abuse. The only reason for searching/playing King Saul is to draw two cards, and even given that players still regularly give up a deck slot for him. That fact that this example is considered a standard play speaks to just how much the current meta is broken. A resource system, should (not so subtly) nudge players away not only from playing the "strongest" characters, but additionally push them away from a mix-and-match deck building strategy.

2) It is only one fifth of your deck if fifty card decks remains the standard. As this system helps minimize the distortion due to dominants, the main reason for minimal deck sizes also evaporates.

My system would work fine for stopping "super friends" type decks by giving them all a high turn value.  That means they'd just sit there being dead cards while your opponent walks in for free souls.

As your system targets individual cards it does nothing directly against the "super friends" deck. AUtO + Samuel + King Saul gets delayed until turn five (or whatever), but then goes off in all its broken glory. Your system would be akin to MtG eliminating manna color.

Great responses!

But my favorite still is to either have LSs as Ressources (with appropriate rule adjustments) or to have additional ressource cards (maybe even with appropriate colors for each brigade to have common and special ressources usable for payments similar to MtG).