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I hope not. I am already disappointed that we have as many extra-Biblical references (and Saint Patrick) in the game as we do. This game is meant to teach people about the Bible; you can learn about other history in history class.

As to non-canonical books, I would be alright to include some of the ones that almost made it (like Enoch).

You know....Alexander the Great was also mentioned in Josephus....  According to Josephus he should probably be a Hero...but I am not so sure how many people would appreciate a Gay Greek hero

I think using extra biblical sources is playing a dangerous game. 

I hope not. I am already disappointed that we have as many extra-Biblical references (and Saint Patrick) in the game as we do. This game is meant to teach people about the Bible; you can learn about other history in history class.

As to non-canonical books, I would be alright to include some of the ones that almost made it (like Enoch).

What's wrong with Saint Patrick? (I don't even know the card)

This game is meant to teach people about the Bible

I "think" that the game is meant for more than just the Bible and please hear me out before this rubs you the wrong way. I do agree with you on that it teaches people about the Bible. I also think that it's also a great way for people to "experience the Love of God". It's not like I don't interact with the people I play with, I care about them, I love them, saved or lost. It's an opportunity to show people that the game isn't just about winning, but also enjoying eachother's company. (but I do admit that I have a part of me that wants to win and I have to ignore that voice and it's a challenge). It opens the door to show other people who're playing other ccg's that you don't have to compete and struggle to collect good cards. I give cards out, I give playmats, sleeves, counters/markers/tokens, I buy food/drinks for people. I demonstrate the Love of God. Conversations open up over a game. You can't learn about "Steve" or real lost soul in the Binle, but I sure can help him solve his problems with the Bible. Steve will see how I walk my life as a disciple of the Prince of Peace, the Lover of my Soul. Redemption is a doorway for Steve to learn about how the Lord has changed my life, how He's answered my prayers, how He's healed people I know, how He's paid my brother's medical bills, how He's put a personal trainer in my life who doesn't charge me a penny. It opens the door for Steve to see that I strive to keep my Word just as God does.

Imo adding non Biblical Evil characters is cool as its one of the only ways the Greeks and Romans can even have a chance at becoming more playable but for good cards thats where it can get overboard.

I think that the Josephus characters add a lot to the game, and are appropriate because even though they are not specifically mentioned in the Bible, they do have an impact on the characters in the Bible. Nero had Paul killed, Antiochus was prophesied about in Daniel and historically came to rule in the intertestamental period, etc. So these people essentially were Biblical characters, albeit not explicitly.

I hope not. I am already disappointed that we have as many extra-Biblical references (and Saint Patrick) in the game as we do. This game is meant to teach people about the Bible; you can learn about other history in history class.

I agree about St. Patrick, but I'm pretty sure that he's a one time deal. I don't foresee any other Saints besides the Apostles ever being made in Redemption. But I think that the Bible presents one of the best sources for learning history, because it reveals how history impacts God's people. I know that when I did my research on all of the prophesies in Daniel 11, I found it very illuminating how in history the prophesies were fulfilled to the letter. I would never have done that research if I hadn't heard of Antiochus, and I wouldn't have heard of Antiochus without Redemption (I may have learned about him in history, but that was awhile ago). Also, the "other history" you learn about in history class doesn't make the connection between it and the Bible (unless you go to a Christian school), I think Redemption does well to make those connections.

That said, I wouldn't like any historical figures to be made from past 100 AD or so, approximately when the last Apostle died. So I'm not sure who the other historians talk about, but I think that would be a good criteria.

That's all great, but I don't see how it proves that extra-Biblical sources should be used in a Bible card game.

Think that the game is "more" than only the Bible and I don't mean this in a way to bash or put down the Bible. It's about Christianity. It's about what Jesus started...He came to change every man from created to begotten.

Let's face the fact, Redemption the cccg is intended for what it's maker designed it for, fun, fellowship, promote the Bible, education of the Bible, ect. It's not my game or yours so neither of our opinions are or will be right. It's Cactus Game Design's game, it's theirs. I'm just voicing my opinion, and I could be wrong. I am a fallible creature who's being made into the likeness of Christ, everyday.

I do like to hear your beliefs & opinions. Some get me to think. For example, Angel Wars. I know scripturally female angels don't exist, yet there're female angel cards. As long as someone isn't teaching it as truth. A child may assume that it's true, but Cactus's intent was not to decieve anyone. The child will not be held accountable for her ignorance to the truth and neither will Cactus be guilty of teaching deception. That wasn't their intent to begin with! They want to promote truth! They want to promote the Love of God and fellowship of the brethren. I'm so thankful for the game and the goodness behind it.

It's still a game.

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on May 20, 2010, 11:05:31 PM

Agreed but regardless adding non biblical characters will take away from the game.

If Cactus made the game to be exclusively the Bible, no more & no less, well then of course I'd agree with you 100%, but we haven't seen that. I understand you're point of view, but I disagree.

Hag 2:9 The glory of this latter house shall be greater than of the former, saith the LORD of hosts: and in this place will I give peace, saith the LORD of hosts.

Jhn 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

1Cr 4:20 For the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power.

Mar 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.

In the end times there will be ministers who will operate (I'm not talking about the false ones) in more anointing & power than even the biblical saints did.  There have been mighty men of faith (I'm just stating, I'm not exalting them or anything) that have operated in great power & anointing just like the Biblical saints. John G Lake or Smith Wigglesworth to name two.

Okay, but all those quotes are from the Bible, so I'm not sure if that proves anyone's point.

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on May 20, 2010, 11:05:31 PM

Agreed but regardless adding non biblical characters will take away from the game.

If Cactus made the game to be exclusively the Bible, no more & no less, well then of course I'd agree with you 100%, but we haven't seen that. I understand you're point of view, but I disagree.

Hag 2:9 The glory of this latter house shall be greater than of the former, saith the LORD of hosts: and in this place will I give peace, saith the LORD of hosts.

Jhn 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

1Cr 4:20 For the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power.

Mar 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.

In the end times there will be ministers who will operate (I'm not talking about the false ones) in more anointing & power than even the biblical saints did.  There have been mighty men of faith (I'm just stating, I'm not exalting them or anything) that have operated in great power & anointing just like the Biblical saints. John G Lake or Smith Wigglesworth to name two.

I totally nominate Smith Wigglesworth. 
1.) Best name ever for a hero
2.) Healing like crazy.

Problem is, they're trying to avoid siding with any denomination, and that'd be very hard to do with modern cards.  Though something akin to "Tribulation Saint" might work.  Or a whole end times expansion.  (Just as long as it isn't ripped off of Left Behind)

I'm not against using extra-Biblical sources, but there's still a TON of stuff in the Bible to use before we go looking elsewhere.

I make a rescue attempt with SomeKittens.

Hold up there, this is a Christian game.