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No one said or even implied you had to.  Frequency has no bearing on the argument at all.  It's about lacking consideration for others but expecting others to be considerate of your habits.  Bible or no Bible, moral code or no moral code, it's just not logically consistent.

Besides, if there is no moral assignation to them, why would you NOT take every opportunity to use them?  With the lone exception of your personal and subjective assessment of the mental competence of others you presume to be within earshot, you've disavowed every reason not to use them.  So what's the difference?

3) lp670sv-On a pm to me,can you tell me why you aren't a believer yet? I hope I'm not being offensive,but I am very curious how
you can play the game/read the Bible and yet not be a Christian.

Yes I can.

No one said or even implied you had to.  Frequency has no bearing on the argument at all.  It's about lacking consideration for others but expecting others to be considerate of your habits.  Bible or no Bible, moral code or no moral code, it's just not logically consistent.

Besides, if there is no moral assignation to them, why would you NOT take every opportunity to use them?  With the lone exception of your personal and subjective assessment of the mental competence of others you presume to be within earshot, you've disavowed every reason not to use them.  So what's the difference?

I don't use them every time they would be appropriate because that would getting boring and repetitive. That is going to seem stupid to you but anyone who knows me knows that I get very bored of using the same words over and over and over again and try to use a wide vocabulary for no other reason then because I think saying the same thing over and over is boring. And I don't think allowing me to say what I want when it has absolutely no impact on your life as a whole should be considered openly inconsiderate. If it is a situation in which it would be inconsiderate to use the words, and I wouldn't be using them to be openly inconsiderate anyway (i.e. insults) then I generally don't use them but I don't think they should be banned altogether and I don't think anyone should be looked down upon for using words that mean nothing unless you let them.

And I don't think allowing me to say what I want when it has absolutely no impact on your life as a whole should be considered openly inconsiderate.

All you're doing is repeating the overall point that you want people to honor the line you draw between what is and is not considerate behavior, with no intention of honoring the line they draw.  You go on about the subjective notion of "impact" as if that should be the only determining factor to act on anyone's behalf but your own.

But in modifying your language for children, you've already demonstrated that taking the extra effort around them has no impact on your life as a whole.  So your own logic removes any reason to consider your language, save one: the desire to place your wishes over the wishes of others.  In matters not related to survival (and sometimes even then), that desire is known as selfishness, and in a lot of cases, selfish behavior is thought inconsiderate.

You don't have to open a door for someone, and it won't ruin their life to have to open a door themselves.  You don't have to give your seat on the bus to an old lady who gets on, and it won't ruin her life to stand for fifteen minutes.  You don't have to shake the hand of a new associate you meet in America, or bow to one in Japan, and it won't ruin their life to go without it.  But in big actions and in small actions, the things we do reflect our priorities, and that tells people who is important in our lives.

All actions are not created equal and their impact can vary, but when they tell people "I'm important and you are not", that doesn't go unnoticed.  To wit: you may not always be aware of when people have been offended by your language and borne it in silence for your sake, but you certainly seem to have noticed when people have asked you to talk the way they think you should talk, and you don't seem to have liked it very much, regardless of its (lack of) impact.

My thoughts on this subject.

#1, if lp670sv is not a Christian, then his problems with swearing are not nearly the most important issue in his life. 

Although I concur that any issue with swearing is hardly the biggest issue in my life, I just imagined this as causing a wave of preaching and started beating my head against the desk in a "not again" fashion

For my part, it was the issue that happened to arise in this thread.  Discussions in other threads are entirely unrelated to this matter.  The point I have been trying to drive home is that the logic for proper use of language need not be grounded either in theology or in societal pressures, but in common courtesy employed with common sense.

I actually was going to say that at this point this should probably be moved to open discussion but its become clear this conversation isn't going to go anywhere so I think it should probably just end for now. Besides I have like 6 other threads to catch up on haha

Oh and you guys are doing a great job of ministering to an unbeliever, keep up the good work 

Your methods are foolproof, I know, but please remember the years before you were "enlightened".

Good luck converting lp670sv.  I've been throwing Preaching the Truths at him all day, and all he does is mumble.

Your puns are counter productive.

Good luck converting lp670sv.  I've been throwing Preaching the Truths at him all day, and all he does is mumble Murmur.

Fixed.

Quote from: stefferweffer on July 01, 2011, 01:28:05 PM

From screenit, for those who are concerned:

"What the F---?"  An incomplete "What the f---"  An incomplete "This is a total cluster f---!"  "A sad piece of sh--", "Sh-- that matters", "Sh--'s going down", "Why do the decepticons always get the good sh--?"  "This is bull----"  "Deep Wang" "D--- head", "You booty looks excellent"  "He's such a D--k"  "You've got some balls"  "What the he--"  "Such a dumb a--"  "Up my a--"  "I'll kick your a--"  "It's a bi---in robot"  "Who's chicken now, Bi---?"  "You being a smart a--", "Rich bast---"  "What the he--"  "A he-- of a time"  "Scary- a-- decepticon"  "Kicking a--"  "Get your bad a-- over here"  "You'll be nothing but Sentinel's bi---"

To sum up, at least 1 fully heard "f" word, 4 partial "f" words, 7 "s" words, 3 slang terms for male genitals, 10 "a--", 6 "he--", 3 "da--", 2 "cr--", 5 "Oh my God", 4 "My God", 3 "Jesus", 1 "God", 1 "Oh God"

Sex/nudity - Given the forum that this is in, I'm not comfortable discussing it here.  If you are concerned send me a pm.  Hope this helps in informing people.

I've cursed more then this in one sentence.

I like how this 4+ page discussion came from one little comment. Very enjoyable to read. This will definitely help me work on my arguing/convincing/comeback skills. I'm to lazy to do this so 1up every post of YMT.

Is swearing acceptable if I replace 2 to 4 characters with dashes?

Definitely better than #2. The only things I didn't like were those two little robots that were apparently supposed to be funny. I just found them creepy and obnoxious. A couple of the worst comedy relief characters IMO. Also, I couldn't take the girl's lips most of the time. Of course, the plot had a few holes as well, but what do you expect from an action movie? All-in-all, I think I would rate the movie at least an 8/10.

Eh, a friend of mine wanted to see it so I went. Much better than the first two. I'm so glad Megan Fox was gone. It made the movie 100x better.

Yeah, the movie was unrealistic, but hey, it's about robot aliens, what did you expect?