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leaving certain plot elements unraveled for the sake of having sequels)
Quote from: Isildur on December 18, 2015, 04:49:16 AMleaving certain plot elements unraveled for the sake of having sequels)Was it to the extreme that was Back to the Future 2 (which seemed like the whole thing was really just a preview to Back to the Future 3)?
Though the story was thoroughly and entirely predictable (from the first scenes), if you go to a Star Wars movie for details about the plot, and if you let them (or lack of) ruin the movie for you, you're missing the point. It's all about the characters- all of which were portrayed flawlessly, for my money.
Spoiler (hover to show)1. I thought Kylo Ren was sort of a meh villain. To me, he seemed like an immature Vader wannabe. Whenever something didn't go his way, he took his lightsaber and slashed it around (Knights of Ren tantrums for the win!). Also, when he took off his helmet, he didn't seem threatening. Maybe that was deliberate, but it just kinda rubbed me the wrong way.
Quote from: Lampy 2.0 on December 22, 2015, 06:33:29 PMSpoiler (hover to show)1. I thought Kylo Ren was sort of a meh villain. To me, he seemed like an immature Vader wannabe. Whenever something didn't go his way, he took his lightsaber and slashed it around (Knights of Ren tantrums for the win!). Also, when he took off his helmet, he didn't seem threatening. Maybe that was deliberate, but it just kinda rubbed me the wrong way.Spoiler (hover to show)Everything you said was literally the whole point of the character. He's not a hardened Sith lord confused, just a manipulated kid who idolizes his grandfather. The whole point of him removing his helmet is showing that the mask is just a front he puts forth, not who he really is. Underneath he's just a kid who doesn't know what he's doing, and he wears the mask to hide who he really is.Everything you said about Ren is exactly why I love him. We've had confident, imposing Sith before. Ren is something new, and imo the best part of the movie.
Quote from: Drrek on December 18, 2015, 04:30:43 PMSpoilers in my post, ye be warned.Spoiler (hover to show)What I Liked: Kylo Ren - I loved having a sith figure who was inexperienced and still being tempted by the light side. I loved that he was an immature, raw sith, and it makes his defeat by the heroes more believable. Having the villain as a child of the original cast and not the main characters was great, and he also was great for explaining why Luke is still the only Jedi. Hopefully the theory that Rey is Luke's kid will not be true, because that would ruin a lot of it for me. Ren though has been one of my favorite villains in a long time.Yeah he was awesome!!! The only thing I didn't like about him was that his light saber was shaped like a broad sword. I mean come on are we in the Star Wars Universe or not lol?Han - He overshadowed the new cast at times, but he and chewie were great. Additionally, the use of 2 of the old crew with 3 of the new crew I thought worked really well. It allowed old and new characters to shine simultaneously with a healthy balance. And Han's death scene, while extremely telegraphed, was still well done, and the lighting as Kylo makes his decision was great.Han was Great! I didn't like the part were they shot Chewy so rea good show her piloting skills. Come on I want Han and Chewy flying around like the glory days. Instead we have Indiana Jones flying around with Keira Knightley's sister-in law-lol wut?What I didn't like:Deathstar 3 - Come on, really? Rolling my eyes when writers couldn't move past the old locations of the first three movies is nothing compared to how the writers apparently just couldn't move past the deathstar. I just can't think at all how a planet sized deathstar helped this movie at all. And lampshading it by comparing it to the deathstar in their strategy meeting before attacking it doesn't excuse this. Think of your own story Abrams, if I wanted to watch A New Hope (which I do), I'd just watch A New Hope. There was no new spin on this plot, it was literally just A New Hope again.ikr!? lazy writing if you ask me.The political situation - So we go from a trilogy that spends WAY to much time on politics to one that gives us no idea what the politics are like. What is the republic's power base? What is the first order's power base? Why are they called the resistance if the republic apparently exists again? Why was the resistance's fleet like 12 X-wings total? Why are we expected to care that the republic's planet is destroyed when we don't know anything about them? Like not even a couple throwaway lines to let us know what has happened to the structure of the galaxy over 30 years? Why? In my mind I lump this in to the lack planet death star idea. We are back in the same situation really?? If anything they should be hunting sith or something. This was the biggest let down for me I was hoping for something else besides a rebellion against the dark side
Spoilers in my post, ye be warned.Spoiler (hover to show)What I Liked: Kylo Ren - I loved having a sith figure who was inexperienced and still being tempted by the light side. I loved that he was an immature, raw sith, and it makes his defeat by the heroes more believable. Having the villain as a child of the original cast and not the main characters was great, and he also was great for explaining why Luke is still the only Jedi. Hopefully the theory that Rey is Luke's kid will not be true, because that would ruin a lot of it for me. Ren though has been one of my favorite villains in a long time.Yeah he was awesome!!! The only thing I didn't like about him was that his light saber was shaped like a broad sword. I mean come on are we in the Star Wars Universe or not lol?Han - He overshadowed the new cast at times, but he and chewie were great. Additionally, the use of 2 of the old crew with 3 of the new crew I thought worked really well. It allowed old and new characters to shine simultaneously with a healthy balance. And Han's death scene, while extremely telegraphed, was still well done, and the lighting as Kylo makes his decision was great.Han was Great! I didn't like the part were they shot Chewy so rea good show her piloting skills. Come on I want Han and Chewy flying around like the glory days. Instead we have Indiana Jones flying around with Keira Knightley's sister-in law-lol wut?What I didn't like:Deathstar 3 - Come on, really? Rolling my eyes when writers couldn't move past the old locations of the first three movies is nothing compared to how the writers apparently just couldn't move past the deathstar. I just can't think at all how a planet sized deathstar helped this movie at all. And lampshading it by comparing it to the deathstar in their strategy meeting before attacking it doesn't excuse this. Think of your own story Abrams, if I wanted to watch A New Hope (which I do), I'd just watch A New Hope. There was no new spin on this plot, it was literally just A New Hope again.ikr!? lazy writing if you ask me.The political situation - So we go from a trilogy that spends WAY to much time on politics to one that gives us no idea what the politics are like. What is the republic's power base? What is the first order's power base? Why are they called the resistance if the republic apparently exists again? Why was the resistance's fleet like 12 X-wings total? Why are we expected to care that the republic's planet is destroyed when we don't know anything about them? Like not even a couple throwaway lines to let us know what has happened to the structure of the galaxy over 30 years? Why? In my mind I lump this in to the lack planet death star idea. We are back in the same situation really?? If anything they should be hunting sith or something. This was the biggest let down for me I was hoping for something else besides a rebellion against the dark side
Is it possible that she had training from Luke before he disappeared. She would've been very little and could have only subconscious memories but that training could be showing up now.I mean how else can she climb 200 yards of rope while junking, defeat multiple people with only a stick and out run many others?
Spoilers in my post, ye be warned.Spoiler (hover to show)What I Liked: Deathstar 3 - Come on, really? Rolling my eyes when writers couldn't move past the old locations of the first three movies is nothing compared to how the writers apparently just couldn't move past the deathstar. I just can't think at all how a planet sized deathstar helped this movie at all. And lampshading it by comparing it to the deathstar in their strategy meeting before attacking it doesn't excuse this. Think of your own story Abrams, if I wanted to watch A New Hope (which I do), I'd just watch A New Hope. There was no new spin on this plot, it was literally just A New Hope again.
Spoiler (hover to show)Yuuzhan Vong, the twist is universal.