Author Topic: Pixar! (Read 13048 times)

jbeers285 · « **Reply #25 on:** July 04, 2012, 03:17:54 PM »

i will have to check it out. just for kicks

Jmbeers · « **Reply #26 on:** July 04, 2012, 03:45:00 PM »

I just want companies to be honest with themselves. Both CNN & Fox claim to be "fair and balanced" but we all know that's not true.

People can argue that Christians have tried big budget "indoctrination" but there some major differences. One being the chronicles of Narnia and the LOTR were not paid for and produced by Christians. The other being films like fireproof and courageous make no apologies and make no attempt to hide there message. People know what there getting into when they decided to watch these films.

Companies like Pixar and Disney have had a history of interjecting political/social views. (as dose every single other company!) it just bugs me that these movies are geared toward kids.

I've made my peace, I'll be happy to read others opinions,

I don't need to hit this nail again.

I'm sincerely sorry for any offenses
I simply stated my opinion

Still Love Toy Story!

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #27 on:** July 04, 2012, 04:09:58 PM »

Quote from: Jmbeers on July 04, 2012, 03:45:00 PM

Companies like Pixar and Disney have had a history of interjecting political/social views. (as dose every single other company!) it just bugs me that these movies are geared toward kids.

Your concerns are unnecessary because the population you are talking about goes to the movies with their parents. We can handle the indoctrinations just fine.

Quote from: Jmbeers on July 04, 2012, 03:45:00 PM

I'm sincerely sorry for any offenses

No offense taken. We're still brothers in Christ and that supercedes entertainment differences.

Quote from: Jmbeers on July 04, 2012, 03:45:00 PM

I simply stated my opinion

And Pixar is just stating theirs. Can't we all just get along?

Quote from: Jmbeers on July 04, 2012, 03:45:00 PM

Still Love Toy Story!

Finding Nemo is my favorite of the Pixar movies.

Jmbeers · « **Reply #28 on:** July 04, 2012, 04:27:07 PM »

That takes my number 2 spot for sure! I like sharks.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #29 on:** July 04, 2012, 06:32:35 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on July 04, 2012, 04:09:58 PM

Quote from: Jmbeers on July 04, 2012, 03:45:00 PM
Companies like Pixar and Disney have had a history of interjecting political/social views. (as dose every single other company!) it just bugs me that these movies are geared toward kids.

Your concerns are unnecessary because the population you are talking about goes to the movies with their parents. We can handle the indoctrinations just fine.

Quote from: Jmbeers on July 04, 2012, 03:45:00 PM
I'm sincerely sorry for any offenses

No offense taken. We're still brothers in Christ and that supercedes entertainment differences.

Quote from: Jmbeers on July 04, 2012, 03:45:00 PM
I simply stated my opinion

And Pixar is just stating theirs. Can't we all just get along?

Quote from: Jmbeers on July 04, 2012, 03:45:00 PM
Still Love Toy Story!

Finding Nemo is my favorite of the Pixar movies.

Even despite its clear vegan message?? Well...

But seriously, I agree. Finding Nemo happens to be my favorite Disney movie overall.

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Red · « **Reply #30 on:** July 04, 2012, 06:38:00 PM »

Just enjoy the movies and not argue over the possibitbly that they might have underlying political themes.... please?

jbeers285 · « **Reply #31 on:** July 04, 2012, 09:56:50 PM »

Hey red some of us enjoy the art of debate/discussion and derive some
amount of entertainment from it. If you choose to enjoy the movies and not think deeper on them that is your prerogative to do so.

Additional note Finding Nemo is a pixar movie not disney, just clarifying for ya prof.

Minion of Jesus · « **Reply #32 on:** July 04, 2012, 10:08:57 PM »

The Incredibles is definitely one of my favs. After that, it is rather difficult to decide.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #33 on:** July 04, 2012, 10:19:03 PM »

This thread has a stark lack of the greatest animated movie of all time: Up!

Red Wing · « **Reply #34 on:** July 04, 2012, 10:56:32 PM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on July 04, 2012, 10:19:03 PM

This thread has a stark lack of the greatest animated movie of all time: Up!

Up is epic!

Red · « **Reply #35 on:** July 04, 2012, 11:13:30 PM »

I enjoy debate. I just don't start them on the merits of children's movies... hahaha.

Minion of Jesus · « **Reply #36 on:** July 05, 2012, 07:54:41 AM »

Quote from: Red Wing on July 04, 2012, 10:56:32 PM

Quote from: Ring Wraith on July 04, 2012, 10:19:03 PM
This thread has a stark lack of the greatest animated movie of all time: Up!
Up is epic!

How could I forget that one?

Chris · « **Reply #37 on:** July 05, 2012, 09:09:55 AM »

Quote from: jbeers285 on July 04, 2012, 09:56:50 PM

Hey red some of us enjoy the art of [...] movies

The Dark Knight is more artsy.

As an aside, it's impossible not to push some kind of an agenda in children's programming, no matter what your goal is. The difference is some of the lessons are universal, and thus, nobody is against them ("I hate Toy Story! Pushing that disgusting liberal friendship agenda!") and others are, apparently, not. I'm still not exactly sure what makes any Pixar movie overtly liberal (I'm not sure how anyone can suggest anything in Wall-E is bad, other than that I didn't like the movie itself), but to each his own I suppose. FWIW though, if you'll yell at Pixar for supposedly indoctrinating children, Veggie Tales does the same thing.

Jmbeers · « **Reply #38 on:** July 05, 2012, 09:45:31 AM »

But veggie tails is owned and marketed as christian. Anyone who watches Bob and Larry knows what there getting into. Not to mention the old school veggie movies were marketed as teaching tools for kids.

Ironica · « **Reply #39 on:** July 05, 2012, 10:23:30 AM »

Why are ya bashing Pixar for something that "might" be there where there are movies like Happy Feet and Bee Movie that are blatantly obvious about their message? If there is an agenda behind Pixar, you will have to look heard for them (and kids just don't care that much) while the two movies above shoves it down your throat.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #40 on:** July 05, 2012, 11:00:47 AM »

Quote from: jbeers285 on July 04, 2012, 09:56:50 PM

Additional note Finding Nemo is a pixar movie not disney, just clarifying for ya prof.

It's actually both:

Quote from: Wikipedia

Finding Nemo is a 2003 American computer-animated comedy-drama film written and directed by Andrew Stanton, produced by Pixar Animation Studios, and released by Walt Disney Pictures.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #41 on:** July 05, 2012, 11:53:47 AM »

Quote from: Jmbeers on July 05, 2012, 09:45:31 AM

But veggie tails is owned and marketed as christian.

I think that this is where your approach is faulty. If I am a Christian I will announce myself as Christian. If someone is non-Christian, do they really have to announce that?

Quote from: Chris on July 05, 2012, 09:09:55 AM

Quote from: jbeers285 on July 04, 2012, 09:56:50 PM
Hey red some of us enjoy the art of [...] movies

The Dark Knight is more artsy.

Why exactly did you purposefully misquote him?

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My feeling is that writers struggle to get depth of plot and characters. In order to have that depth, there needs to be an underlying message. Pixar has chosen secular messages, but is that really surprising for a secular company? I still think you are reading into this matter incorrectly.

Jmbeers · « **Reply #42 on:** July 05, 2012, 12:02:15 PM »

IMO your actually agreeing with me YMT. I don't dislike Pixar. I have seen all of their movies - cars 2. I just "noticed" repetitive themes across several of the films.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #43 on:** July 05, 2012, 12:09:26 PM »

Quote from: Jmbeers on July 05, 2012, 12:02:15 PM

IMO your actually agreeing with me YMT.

Dems fightin' words!

I do not at all agree that the underlying themes are "indoctrinations of liberal idealism." The themes I see are:

1. Recycling is a good thing. (Wall-E)
2. Parents need to communicate with their children better. (Nemo)
3. Change can be a good thing. (Toy Story)
4. We should revisit some traditions of yesteryear. (Cars)
5. Sometimes the things we think we want are not what we really need. (Up!)

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #44 on:** July 05, 2012, 12:45:14 PM »

The Incredibles is overtly conservative as its message flies in the face of the Liberal "self-esteem" agenda, and it actively promotes exceptionalism and the nuclear family.

Minion of Jesus · « **Reply #45 on:** July 05, 2012, 03:48:48 PM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on July 05, 2012, 12:45:14 PM

The Incredibles is overtly conservative as its message flies in the face of the Liberal "self-esteem" agenda, and it actively promotes exceptionalism and the nuclear family.

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on July 05, 2012, 12:09:26 PM

Quote from: Jmbeers on July 05, 2012, 12:02:15 PM
IMO your actually agreeing with me YMT.

Dems fightin' words!

I do not at all agree that the underlying themes are "indoctrinations of liberal idealism." The themes I see are:

1. Recycling is a good thing. (Wall-E)
2. Parents need to communicate with their children better. (Nemo)
3. Change can be a good thing. (Toy Story)
4. We should revisit some traditions of yesteryear. (Cars)
5. Sometimes the things we think we want are not what we really need. (Up!)

to both.

Jmbeers · « **Reply #46 on:** July 05, 2012, 03:49:18 PM »

Ok, I see the problem now, I wasn't arguing at all that the messages were right or wrong. I never once argued that Pixar was Liberal, granted the eviormental groups almost always get put in that category, but that in itself is stereotyping. I never once claimed Pixar leans Right or Left. I strongly agree with some but not all of the messages that I see in their movies. I just don't think the messages should be there.

I'm not saying pushing moral values is bad. I belive you can teach morals in a story (as its been done for thousands of years) it's simply when a political belief is displayed (right or left) toward children who will not always have there parents around when watching a movie or television cartoon isn't cool IMO.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #47 on:** July 05, 2012, 04:00:23 PM »

Quote from: Jmbeers on July 05, 2012, 03:49:18 PM

Ok, I see the problem now, I wasn't arguing at all that the messages were right or wrong. I never once argued that Pixar was Liberal,....

That would be the other Jbeers. I mixed up the quotes from you two since your screen names are so close.

Quote from: Jmbeers on July 05, 2012, 03:49:18 PM

I just don't think the messages should be there.

This is what we disagree on. The "message" is really just an underlying theme, and that theme is necessary to give the plot depth. Without that depth, the story would be lame and the movie would fail. The depth of plot and character development are part of what makes Pixar movies stand out above other animated movies.

Quote from: Jmbeers on July 05, 2012, 03:49:18 PM

it's simply when a political belief is displayed (right or left) toward children who will not always have there parents around when watching a movie or television cartoon isn't cool IMO.

"Displaying" a political belief is nearly impossible to avoid, especially when under the scruntinizing eyes of certain Christians. You're seeing what you want to see rather than what is necessarily intended. The display of these themes is not nearly as detrimental as you are presuming.

Jmbeers · « **Reply #48 on:** July 05, 2012, 04:22:59 PM »

And I can tell you maybe in your area you don't see the effect as much.

(just a fact here)

The area I live in typically votes Republican but safe to say far more than half of the kids that I had talked with in highschool argued very strongly for democratic views. Unfortunately students today (maybe just in my school) have a very flimsy understanding of politics and religion. I have said this many times to people in a debate. I do not care what you belive so long as you understand why you belive it. There ARE kids who's only political education came from the media.

A perfect example of this in my school came in the form of (GasLand) the movie. I will not get into a debate about energy sources here! I do not care about your or my views about natural gas for this argument... The movie falsely attributes ailments in a community to the newly built well. It simply wasn't true. There had been a cole mining disaster years befor which was responsible for most of the issues. The problem for me was that all freshmen and soft mores were required to watch the film in school and absolutally no counter argent was made. You should have seen the emotion in these kids. I have never seen the group as a whole so interest in attacking something before. If a word was spoken in favor of natural gas literally 2-4 students would say, "didn't you see the movie?" or "dude that stuffs terrible." when they had done no extra research into the topic. I actually spoke with my prisable about the issue I had "not that they showed the movie but that there was no counter made." and nicely put all I got was a thank you for your concern.

Now I know Pixar is not GasLand or any movie like it. I have just seen in my life that kids and students are impressionable and few have talked with there parents in a way that would allow them to Really understand any political view.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #49 on:** July 05, 2012, 04:51:49 PM »

Everything is a political view. Trying to scrub all traces of it out of a story is tantamount to trying to eliminate bias in a discussion. Both are literally impossible. What you should be left with is a complaint against parents and the public school system, not Pixar.

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Author Topic: Pixar! (Read 13048 times)

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