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« on: July 03, 2012, 08:17:11 PM »
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Who loves Pixar movies?
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« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2012, 08:49:02 PM »
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I was quoting toy story today but I can't repeat it "because there are pre-school toys present"
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« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2012, 09:39:08 PM »
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I love 'em! Favorites are the Toy Story movies, Cars, Wall-E, and The Incredibles.
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« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2012, 09:47:38 PM »
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Pixar has a knack for making kids movies that have more depth, rounder characters and better pacing than most "adult" movies Hollywood offers up. With few exceptions, Pixar always delivers a wholesome family movie rather than a flimsy children's movie.
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« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2012, 01:34:31 AM »
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Agree with Pol. The new movie, Brave, is probably the most controversial due to a bit of witchcraft/spells (and apparently Cars 2 was essentially environmentalist propoganda from what I heard, but I never saw it). My favorite is Nemo, with Up being a close second, but they are all pretty good that I've seen.

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« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2012, 06:52:36 AM »
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I'll start by saying the original toy story has got to be my favorite animated film of all time.

But... Pixar as a whole bugs me  :-\

I really feel like at times they have used their platform to push social and political ideas in a way that was directly targeting children. I know every director/producer puts there world view into a film but I don't feel like its fair to target young and impressionable minds like they have before.

Again, I saw Brave about a week or 2 ago. It was cute and made me laugh.
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« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2012, 07:42:06 AM »
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I'll start by saying the original toy story has got to be my favorite animated film of all time.

But... Pixar as a whole bugs me  :-

I really feel like at times they have used their platform to push social and political ideas in a way that was directly targeting children. I know every director/producer puts there world view into a film but I don't feel like its fair to target young and impressionable minds like they have before.

Again, I saw Brave about a week or 2 ago. It was cute and made me laugh.

That's what I heard about Cars 2, but I can't think of any examples from the movies I've seen. I guess Wall-E maybe...but I didn't think it was that bad since the example was so extreme.

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« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2012, 08:04:14 AM »
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Before you read the rest, let me say I Am reading into this on pourpose to get a point across  ;)

(A Bugs life) The little Guy is oppressed by the Goverment. UNITE AND OVERCOME!

(Monsters Inc.) Energy Company is Evil and unwilling to look at alternative energy sources.

(Wall-E) Not even going there  :o

(Brave) Feminist, and a very subtle jab at how we should allow gay marriage.

I never saw Cars 2.
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« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2012, 08:23:53 AM »
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Cars 2 wasn't all that good, and neither was Bugs Life. However, I don't think that is what they were looking at exactly with Monsters Inc. Agree with Minister Pol.
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« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2012, 08:26:34 AM »
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Before you read the rest, let me say I Am reading into this on pourpose to get a point across  ;)

(A Bugs life) The little Guy is oppressed by the Goverment. UNITE AND OVERCOME!

(Monsters Inc.) Energy Company is Evil and unwilling to look at alternative energy sources.

(Wall-E) Not even going there  :o

(Brave) Feminist, and a very subtle jab at how we should allow gay marriage.

I never saw Cars 2.
How is Brave "a subtle jab at how we should allow gay marriage?"

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« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2012, 08:42:31 AM »
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It was a one liner.

If you want me to walk you through it you can pm me. I don't need to post it here.

Don't get me wrong. I do like the Pixar movies! Just gets me sometimes cause there "kids movies."
« Last Edit: July 04, 2012, 08:46:48 AM by Jmbeers »
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« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2012, 10:39:16 AM »
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100% agreement with Jerome on this Pixar has attempted to indoctrinate children with liberal idealism in many of there movies. Personally I strongly dislike Walle-E the most.

I saw brave as well not sure I see the gay marriage thing quite as boldly as Jerome but I can see where that idea comes from.
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« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2012, 11:16:13 AM »
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The basic plot outline of A Bug's Life is one that's been around for centuries. It's a classic tale, and implying that it's something so grand as a political statement that the little guy should overthrow "the man" is, in my opinion, pretty ridiculous. Somehow having an environmental message and encouraging kids to exercise and not pollute is pushing a liberal agenda? I haven't seen it, but simply because Brave has a female protagonist who opts to take action rather than be a housewife, it means it's pushing feminism? Really? I haven't seen Monsters Inc. in ages, nor Cars 2, but you're really, really reaching. Moreover, I love it when Christians throw around terms like "indoctrination" completely unironically.

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« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2012, 11:20:39 AM »
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You guys make me laugh.  ;D

Children don't watch movies the way that adults watch movies. Children can't pronounce "liberal idealism" let alone recognize it in a movie. The only peripheral effect that Wall-E will have on a child is to make them pick up their trash.

You can read into a movie all you want, but that's not going to change its entertainment value to a child, or that child's parent. Bambi was one of the most watched animated films of all time, but we still have the NRA. Parents have significantly more impact on a child's development than Pixar movies.

I love the Pixar movies, and so do my children. So far my 14-year-old has shown no signs of liberalism.
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« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2012, 11:27:05 AM »
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For the first time in history YMT and Chris agree on something. Sure sign of the apocalypse I think.

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« Reply #15 on: July 04, 2012, 11:29:14 AM »
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For the first time in history YMT and Chris agree on something. Sure sign of the apocalypse I think.

I agreed with you selling your 3DS to your friend for $200, if that helps.  ;D
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« Reply #16 on: July 04, 2012, 11:46:36 AM »
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Although I agree that parents have more impact on their children then movies do, not all children have parents to guide them to understanding.

I would allow my children (when I have some) to watch Pixar films and to enjoy them.

It's like my parents used to say though trash in, trash out.  If you walked around the halls of a high school you would realize the impact some of these agenda's are having on teenagers.  I had a girl threaten to kill me in highschool because I hunt. (Talk about Ironic)

Finally, I think all of this is matter of opinion. Some may say "yes, there is an agenda" and some "no". Some may agree or disagree about whether its good or not. The truth for this situation is in the eye of the beholder.


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I don't know what your experience has been with Christianity and if you feel people attempted to indoctrinate you with it, but I would say

1. I grew up in a Pastor's house and never once felt that my faith was forced on me.

2. Most (If not all) Christian parents will talk to their children about making their faith there own. Parents will encourage their kids to test scripture for themselves and see if they find truth.

3. I am a Christian and I believe that Jesus alone can save. Nothing I do can save me and all I can do is enter into relationship with my Savior.  My belief is that Christianity is the only way to heaven and that a life with Christ is happier, and healthier. (I'm referring to emotional health not physical). This leads to happy marriages, loving family and effective ministry. (I am not saying that Christians  will not suffer or face hardship, we are called to take up our cross).               All that said I believe raising a child up in the ways of the Lord is the best plan of action for a parent.  I long for my children to be emotionally healthy in a world full of broken people. I desire to seey children in heaven. I pray that they will serve the one and only God and that their ministries will be impactful.  So will I "indoctrinate" my children with Christianity, no, but will I teach them through love, grace and discipline that truth is found in Jesus, emphatically yes.
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« Reply #17 on: July 04, 2012, 12:25:03 PM »
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I said from the beginning I was going to "read into it."

I'm sorry to sound like such a downer, I thoroughly enjoy Pixar films. I have seen all of them except cars 2 and liked all but Wall-E

As to brave, I didn't drop the feminist tag on it because of the lead characters plot. I had no problem with it. (it was also pixar's first female lead) I said it because ALL of the men in the movie were utterly incompetent of any constructive action. I will say of the little list I made I will say Brave was my biggest leap. I DID LIKE THE MOVIE!
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« Reply #18 on: July 04, 2012, 01:56:14 PM »
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If you walked around the halls of a high school you would realize the impact some of these agenda's are having on teenagers.  I had a girl threaten to kill me in highschool because I hunt. (Talk about Ironic)

Are you suggesting that watching Bambi made that girl threaten you? If not then this isn't the place for that memory. I would argue that there are much deeper personal and family issues with that girl.

The problem here is attaching behavior of children to one aspect of their life - movies. I agree that we need to shield our children from overt antiChristian images. We had this debate earlier where I made it clear that I will not watch (or let my family watch) movies that depict images that I don't think they should see. But here we are talking about Pixar movies that can not possibly be detrimental visually. So now the question becomes subtle themes? Children are not going to have their lives forever ruined by a Pixar film. And Pixar films are not going to make a child threaten to kill other students in school. If those things happen, then I would argue that there were other catalysts.

I agree that not all kids have good parents, but that will be the underlying problem with their future behavior, not Pixar movies. If anything, Pixar movies teach good morals, so the children may turn out better than their parents could have raised them.

Besides if political activism is all bad, then why do Christians do it, too?

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« Reply #19 on: July 04, 2012, 02:07:22 PM »
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Finally, I think all of this is matter of opinion. Some may say "yes, there is an agenda" and some "no". Some may agree or disagree about whether its good or not. The truth for this situation is in the eye of the beholder.

Never said political activism is a bad thing, not at all I just don't appreciate it being the underlying message of movies that children watch for entertainment.


As for the girl that threatened me, your right that there are probably deeper issues then her watching Bambi however, I don't discount that it could have impacted her as a child and pointed her in a direction. Neither of us can say for sure either way.
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« Reply #20 on: July 04, 2012, 02:37:46 PM »
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Neither of us can say for sure either way.

But that's just it. You have stepped into a thread about "who likes Pixar movies" and interjected your own "conservative idealism" agenda. That would seem to make you guilty of what you are accusing Pixar of doing.
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« Reply #21 on: July 04, 2012, 02:41:17 PM »
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No bc this forum is 13 and up and I'm not marketing to millions of toddlers and elementary age students

I am on a forum and the topic was brought up so I joined the conversation and added my opinion.

Not even close to the same thing.

Not to mention my political view points have not been stated at all other then saying I hunt. (you can assume u know my positions) but I bet you would be quite surprised by a lot of my own political beliefs.
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« Reply #22 on: July 04, 2012, 02:51:15 PM »
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Not to mention my political view points have not been stated at all other then saying I hunt.

You are accusing Pixar of indoctrinating liberal idealism with animated movies. Your political views are quite clear.
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« Reply #23 on: July 04, 2012, 03:00:19 PM »
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Are they or are they not doing that?

I simply stated a truth I didn't state my opinion either way. 

I am all for taking care of our planet and fulfilling the charge that God gave us to rule over the plants and animals.

I totally support the rise of woman's equality and support strong women in America.  The gospel liberates women everywhere it breaks in, China, the Middle East, Russia ect.

I believe in caring for the poor and down trodden. I don't want to be a goat when the flock is separated.

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« Reply #24 on: July 04, 2012, 03:12:26 PM »
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Are they or are they not doing that?

Based on everything you said after this quote, it is possible that they are not.

If you want to see the indoctrination of liberal idealism in a movie then watch The American President (which I do not recommend for entertainment value, btw).
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