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Open Forum => Off-Topic => Entertainment => Topic started by: jbeers285 on October 03, 2012, 10:09:20 PM
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Thoughts on the debate? Just curious!
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Moderator is doing a poor job of moderating
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What is this debate you speak of?
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What is this debate you speak of?
Wow dude really? Lol
It's Romney and Obama.
Ip you are 100% right about that.
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Romney even interrupts the moderator when he's telling him its his turn
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Obama and Romney both ran over mr. PBS all night lol
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You can really tell BHO was a professor.
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Obama is normally a great speaker, but tonight he really struggled to get his words out and to communicate effectively. Even his closing statement seemed to be difficult for him to get out.
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Ah, I see... I'm not much of a politics guy since I'm only a freshman in high school and have much better things to do like Youth Group and stuff on Wednesdays... ;)
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Obama is normally a great speaker, but tonight he really struggled to get his words out and to communicate effectively. Even his closing statement seemed to be difficult for him to get out.
totally agree. Obama was scrambling all night cause Romney came at him hard at the beginning of the debate. Obama was vague in his answers, staring at the floor and was favoring Big Federal government in order to make Americans Successful. Romney looked directly at Obama (most of the time) was numbering off his points when giving his answers. Romney was in favor of Smaller Federal Government and competition within the private market to make Americans successful.
For me, this debate boils down to:
Obama= BIG govt, more spending
Romney=Small govt (take power from Feds and give to State governments), increasing private market
if you cant tell I think Romney won and seems like a great leader with confidence and nerve
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I honestly believe Romney won this debate as well.
The thing that bothers me is this idea that if we give seniors a chance to pick a plan other then Medicare/Medicaid, that the insurance companies will take advantage of them. I say let people take some personal responsibility and make their own choices.
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They are currently overwhelmingly choosing to leave Medicare as is, as seen by any of the many polls done on the subject.
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Obama was vague in his answers
LOL.
Romney was a clear winner, but blasting Obama for being vague is LOL.
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I'm not planning on voting for Romney, but he took Obama to town tonight. The way I phrased it to a friend when she asked me about it (leaving out some colorful language) is that Obama seemed like a kid who had to go see the principal and listen to him lecture.
Speaking of moderators, there's almost never anything contentious on this board, but I want to make everyone aware I will be on the lookout for people attacking each other rather than the candidates.
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Obama was vague in his answers
LOL.
Romney was a clear winner, but blasting Obama for being vague is LOL.
I thought that both of them were surprisingly specific. The thing that might have made Obama seem vague is that we've heard most of his talking points before, whereas this is the first time that Romney has really been able to say what he plans to do and how to do it. I can cut Obama some slack since he is being president as well as campaigning, while Romney has had to focus on little else but this debate (in which a good performance was crucial) recently.
In terms of who won the debate, I'd say Romney did just because he was finally able to establish some clear differences between himself and Obama (which should make many conservatives feel a little more comfortable voting for him, if for no other reason than he's not Obama) and also he was able to detail some steps he plans to take upon taking office as far as healthcare reform and regulation reform. Obama looked and sounded uncomfortable and seemed to be lost at times without his teleprompter, but I think he still presented his argument clearly enough for people to understand who he is and what he believes is the best direction for the country.
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The debate was without a doubt the worst one I've ever had the (dis)pleasure of watching.
Nearly every word out of Romeny's mouth was a lie, half-truth, or baseless assumption.
Obama phoned it in hard, instead of calling out Romney on any of this, he just stuck with his "nice guy" never offend anyone persona.
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The debate was without a doubt the worst one I've ever had the (dis)pleasure of watching.
Nearly every word out of Romeny's mouth was a lie, half-truth, or baseless assumption.
Obama phoned it in hard, instead of calling out Romney on any of this, he just stuck with his "nice guy" never offend anyone persona.
Care to back those statements up?
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It was funny when the incumbent president didn't even know the right answer to "What is the purpose of Government?"
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Care to back those statements up?
Yes, (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/04/opinion/an-unhelpful-presidential-debate.html?_r=0) yes (http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/10/04/14219336-the-triumph-of-style-over-substance?lite) I (http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/10/04/958801/at-last-nights-debate-romney-told-27-myths-in-38-minutes/?mobile=nc) would (http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2012/10/03/162263539/romney-goes-on-offense-pays-for-it-in-first-wave-of-fact-checks?ft=1&f=1001&sc=tw&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter). (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/10/03/9082/)
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The NYT link was incredibly biased, and seldom backed up claims with nothing more than stereotyping Romney. One of the commenters said "From the tone of your editorial, it appears you have already made up your mind." and I whole heartedly agree.
Mr. Romney claimed, against considerable evidence, that he had no intention of cutting taxes on the rich or enacting a tax cut that would increase the deficit.
That simply isn’t true. Mr. Romney wants to restore the Bush-era tax cut that expires at the end of this year and largely benefits the wealthy. He wants to end the estate tax and the gift tax, providing a huge benefit only to those with multimillion-dollar estates, at a cost of more than $1 trillion over a decade to the deficit. He wants to preserve the generous rates on capital gains that benefit himself personally and others at his economic level.
Considerable evidence that won't be said? Instead, he just basically said what Romney's been attacked for for years. I'm not saying that's not without base, but if you're going to make claims back them up.
The second one is much better.
Romney told viewers his proposed $5 trillion tax cut isn't really his proposed $5 trillion tax cut. He suggested he could eliminate a $1 trillion deficit by going after Big Bird. He said his non-existent health care plan protects those with pre-existing conditions when in reality the exact opposite is true. He cited trumped up "studies" from far-right ideologues as if they're legitimate, assuming the public won't know the difference. He said a deficit that's shrunk has actually "doubled."
For the most part, these still don't back up why that's true. Show me the differences, don't just make statements, or else you're doing what Romney supposedly did (although he backed it up with studies [which are apparently illegitimate due to bias...ironic?])
The last one (I failed at clicking the I first pass through) is legitimate. The third one looks pretty good too, but I'm hungry and have class soon, so I can't get through it).
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http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/oct/03/fact-checking-denver-presidential-debate/
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Somewhere a teleprompter is wringing its hands with worry...
...on that note, maybe Obama would be allowed to have Jeff Dunham standing on stage next to him?
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Somewhere a teleprompter is wringing its hands with worry...
...on that note, maybe Obama would be allowed to have Jeff Dunham standing on stage next to him?
Probably shouldn't laugh but I couldn't help it
I had to get out of bed and pee I laughed so hard