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Spoiler (hover to show)Everyone better thank that random rat, the true hero of the universe.
Definitely an epic movie. I gotta ask the question everyone has been wanting to know....Spoiler (hover to show)Who was the random kid standing alone at Tony Stark's funeral near the back??? Also when Peter Parker goes back to high school it doesn't seem like any of his friends have aged 5 years and it's all back to normal. Also Thor was great.
Quote from: SiLeNcEd_MaTrIx on April 27, 2019, 08:46:39 AMDefinitely an epic movie. I gotta ask the question everyone has been wanting to know....Spoiler (hover to show)Who was the random kid standing alone at Tony Stark's funeral near the back??? Also when Peter Parker goes back to high school it doesn't seem like any of his friends have aged 5 years and it's all back to normal. Also Thor was great.Spoiler (hover to show) The kid is Harley, from Iron Man 3 when Tony crashes in Tennessee. Not sure how they're going to handle the Spiderman situation, but there's a couple choices, including the obvious - all important characters were dusted explanation
Also, I feel like the spoiler tags are unnecessary. Anyone who opens this thread should know what's coming.
Definitely an epic movie. I gotta ask the question everyone has been wanting to know....Spoiler (hover to show)... Also when Peter Parker goes back to high school it doesn't seem like any of his friends have aged 5 years and it's all back to normal.
Spoiler (hover to show)I'm just glad Rocket didn't die.
Spoiler (hover to show)I AM IRON MAN
Quote from: Red Dragon Thorn on April 25, 2019, 11:12:38 PMSpoiler (hover to show)I AM IRON MANNot gonna lie, I was really hoping the line was gonna beSpoiler (hover to show)Like, I can get why they went with what they did, particularly with how the movie was focused, but it still would've been a nice emphasis on team.Quote from: SiLeNcEd_MaTrIx on April 27, 2019, 08:46:39 AMDefinitely an epic movie. I gotta ask the question everyone has been wanting to know....Spoiler (hover to show)Who was the random kid standing alone at Tony Stark's funeral near the back??? Also when Peter Parker goes back to high school it doesn't seem like any of his friends have aged 5 years and it's all back to normal. Also Thor was great.I had both these questions as well. And the same final opinion, but that's par for the course (Ragnarok was and still is my favorite).
My over-emphasis on the sure goes to show how extraordinarily fortunate those things were/how unconvinced/taken out of the movie I was by them. Feel free to correct me if I missed something that explained some of these points in better detail.
Spoiler (hover to show)3. They had just enough Pym particles left for all of them, exactly enough to make their plans work? That's sure lucky. And, even if they inevitably botch it, they could just grab more without repercussions (like, Hank was always fated to mysteriously lose and never account for those vials that they took)? How neat.When Cap grabbed the Pym particles, he created a new branch in the multiverse. So, yeah, in that universe Hank was "always fated" to lose the Pym particles.5. Man, not knowing how to get the soul stone, it sure was coincidental that the two characters that go after it are just about the most expendable in the entire franchise, with just about the least to lose. I almost cared.So, logically, who do you think would have been better choices to have been tasked to go to Vormir? Black Widow should have replaced Thor in Asgaard or Nebula in Morag?7. Nebula knew how to use the Quantum Travel machine? And Thanos was able to get his whole ship through, somehow? That's amaaaaazing.Not sure what is so "amaaaaazing" about Thanos bringing his ship through. Rocket's whole ship made both the outbound and return quantum trips.9. Considering Captain Marvel was with them at the beginning of the movie, it sure seems convoluted that she couldn't go with them to get the infinity stones from the start. Almost like she had no reason to not to, but they invented some fake reason for her to leave. They didn't think the most powerful being on their team would be more useful for their plan (which could not fail) than on some random planet somewhere -who knows where- in the galaxy? Also, she shows up just in time to destroy the ship? Suuure.They went after the Infinity stones more than five years after the beginning of the movie. Captain Marvel should have stayed around on Earth just hoping they would come up with a plan? That would make absolutely zero sense. Other than Nick Fury's pager, which is dead (Captain Marvel end scene), no one had the capability of summoning Captain Marvel. She did not return to Earth until *after* the infinity stones were used.10. Captain America can use Mjolnir? Yeah, I saw it coming, but yeah, it was awesome. But... he can also summon lightning with it? Sure he can.In the first Thor movie, Odin enchants Mjolnir saying "Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy shall possess the power of Thor." If you can wield Mjolnir you can summon lightning with it.11. Captain America put all the infinity stones back in their proper places (including the sceptre, including the ether, including the soulstone, somehow) without altering the timeline, with no explanation? Also, he stays behind and lives out his life, all while still not altering the timeline? Sounds like a paradox brewing, but suuure.The timelines seemed fairly impervious to change; if Cap could get close, that would be good enough. Even if he didn't nail it exactly it would not effect the the main timeline anyway. After the climatic battle with Thanos, I am not sure anyone would have wanted to watch another 90 minutes showing Cap returning the stones.Captain America's life with Peggy was in an alternate timeline, he simply returned to the main timeline at the end to explain and pass on his shield. So, no paradox on that score.My over-emphasis on the sure goes to show how extraordinarily fortunate those things were/how unconvinced/taken out of the movie I was by them. Feel free to correct me if I missed something that explained some of these points in better detail.
Spoiler (hover to show)One point to consider is that all of the "fortunate" events (including the rat) only happened in one iteration of the millions+? of iterations Dr. Strange viewed of the future in Infinity Wars. This one iteration (where they succeeded) was clearly represented as nearly impossible.
Spoiler (hover to show)So, logically, who do you think would have been better choices to have been tasked to go to Vormir? Black Widow should have replaced Thor in Asgaard or Nebula in Morag?No one. They picked the absolute best options by pure chance- which is where my disbelief comes in. They could've easily swapped Nebula + War Machine with Hawkeye and BW and it would've made just as logical sense, only there wouldn't have been any personal stakes.Not sure what is so "amaaaaazing" about Thanos bringing his ship through. Rocket's whole ship made both the outbound and return quantum trips.The emphasis amaaaazing was more in reference to Nebula's 'plug and play' ability to grasp the intricacies of quantum travel and use the machine. Not a huge problem, since everything can be explained "Thanos took years to understand and apply the pym particles/combing Nebula's memory for the needed information before going through the portal", but it doesn't seem like that's the case, so it's pretty convenient.They went after the Infinity stones more than five years after the beginning of the movie. Captain Marvel should have stayed around on Earth just hoping they would come up with a plan? That would make absolutely zero sense. Other than Nick Fury's pager, which is dead (Captain Marvel end scene), no one had the capability of summoning Captain Marvel. She did not return to Earth until *after* the infinity stones were used.No, but why wouldn't they wait for her to return before going after the stones? They are dealing with time travel after all, so waiting isn't going to ruin anything. Also, I can't believe they had no way to summon her or even let her know what was going on, since: 1- they were already shown talking to her early on from some distant planet. 2- She must've known to come back somehow when everyone was fighting Thanos. Makes zero sense to not include your most powerful piece in a plan to save the universe.In the first Thor movie, Odin enchants Mjolnir saying "Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy shall possess the power of Thor." If you can wield Mjolnir you can summon lightning with it.Somebody did clear this up for me earlier. But, c'mon, you expect me to remember word-for-word a line from the first Thor movie? 8ish years ago? However, can't really blame the movies for that, so that Q is resolved.The timelines seemed fairly impervious to change; if Cap could get close, that would be good enough. Even if he didn't nail it exactly it would not effect the the main timeline anyway. After the climatic battle with Thanos, I am not sure anyone would have wanted to watch another 90 minutes showing Cap returning the stones.If the timelines were impervious to change, why even return the stones at all?Captain America's life with Peggy was in an alternate timeline, he simply returned to the main timeline at the end to explain and pass on his shield. So, no paradox on that score.Except he didn't return, because he never left. If he had, he would've appeared on the time pedestal as an old man, not waiting by a park bench. That conveyed to me that he knew the day and, instead of returning with the time portal, waited there on that day for them to find him. I don't know how it could be interpreted any other way.
Quote from: EmJayBee83 on May 08, 2019, 10:48:05 AMSpoiler (hover to show)So, logically, who do you think would have been better choices to have been tasked to go to Vormir? Black Widow should have replaced Thor in Asgaard or Nebula in Morag?No one. They picked the absolute best options by pure chance- which is where my disbelief comes in. They could've easily swapped Nebula + War Machine with Hawkeye and BW and it would've made just as logical sense, only there wouldn't have been any personal stakes.Not really. Nebula was already familiar with Morag, and neither BW nor Hawkeye have met Quill prior to this point. Since they needed to intercept Quill, having Nebula go to Morag was the most logical choice.They went after the Infinity stones more than five years after the beginning of the movie. Captain Marvel should have stayed around on Earth just hoping they would come up with a plan? That would make absolutely zero sense. Other than Nick Fury's pager, which is dead (Captain Marvel end scene), no one had the capability of summoning Captain Marvel. She did not return to Earth until *after* the infinity stones were used.No, but why wouldn't they wait for her to return before going after the stones? They are dealing with time travel after all, so waiting isn't going to ruin anything. Also, I can't believe they had no way to summon her or even let her know what was going on, since: 1- they were already shown talking to her early on from some distant planet. 2- She must've known to come back somehow when everyone was fighting Thanos. Makes zero sense to not include your most powerful piece in a plan to save the universe.I forgot she was in the conference call, which kind of ruins my theory. I guess the problem was they didn't have enough Pym particles for another hero. The timelines seemed fairly impervious to change; if Cap could get close, that would be good enough. Even if he didn't nail it exactly it would not effect the the main timeline anyway. After the climatic battle with Thanos, I am not sure anyone would have wanted to watch another 90 minutes showing Cap returning the stones.If the timelines were impervious to change, why even return the stones at all?I didn't say the timelines were completely impervious to change. I just meant that they appear not to be super-sensitive butterfly effect things. As long as the stones got back at some point close in time, things would be fine. It actually doesn't matter anyway, because all we saw was the main timeline and nothing Cap did in the past would effect that.Captain America's life with Peggy was in an alternate timeline, he simply returned to the main timeline at the end to explain and pass on his shield. So, no paradox on that score.Except he didn't return, because he never left. If he had, he would've appeared on the time pedestal as an old man, not waiting by a park bench. That conveyed to me that he knew the day and, instead of returning with the time portal, waited there on that day for them to find him. I don't know how it could be interpreted any other way.There was a Q&A with the Russo brothers where they explained the end scene pretty much exactly as I described.
Spoiler (hover to show)So, logically, who do you think would have been better choices to have been tasked to go to Vormir? Black Widow should have replaced Thor in Asgaard or Nebula in Morag?No one. They picked the absolute best options by pure chance- which is where my disbelief comes in. They could've easily swapped Nebula + War Machine with Hawkeye and BW and it would've made just as logical sense, only there wouldn't have been any personal stakes.Not really. Nebula was already familiar with Morag, and neither BW nor Hawkeye have met Quill prior to this point. Since they needed to intercept Quill, having Nebula go to Morag was the most logical choice.They went after the Infinity stones more than five years after the beginning of the movie. Captain Marvel should have stayed around on Earth just hoping they would come up with a plan? That would make absolutely zero sense. Other than Nick Fury's pager, which is dead (Captain Marvel end scene), no one had the capability of summoning Captain Marvel. She did not return to Earth until *after* the infinity stones were used.No, but why wouldn't they wait for her to return before going after the stones? They are dealing with time travel after all, so waiting isn't going to ruin anything. Also, I can't believe they had no way to summon her or even let her know what was going on, since: 1- they were already shown talking to her early on from some distant planet. 2- She must've known to come back somehow when everyone was fighting Thanos. Makes zero sense to not include your most powerful piece in a plan to save the universe.I forgot she was in the conference call, which kind of ruins my theory. I guess the problem was they didn't have enough Pym particles for another hero. The timelines seemed fairly impervious to change; if Cap could get close, that would be good enough. Even if he didn't nail it exactly it would not effect the the main timeline anyway. After the climatic battle with Thanos, I am not sure anyone would have wanted to watch another 90 minutes showing Cap returning the stones.If the timelines were impervious to change, why even return the stones at all?I didn't say the timelines were completely impervious to change. I just meant that they appear not to be super-sensitive butterfly effect things. As long as the stones got back at some point close in time, things would be fine. It actually doesn't matter anyway, because all we saw was the main timeline and nothing Cap did in the past would effect that.Captain America's life with Peggy was in an alternate timeline, he simply returned to the main timeline at the end to explain and pass on his shield. So, no paradox on that score.Except he didn't return, because he never left. If he had, he would've appeared on the time pedestal as an old man, not waiting by a park bench. That conveyed to me that he knew the day and, instead of returning with the time portal, waited there on that day for them to find him. I don't know how it could be interpreted any other way.There was a Q&A with the Russo brothers where they explained the end scene pretty much exactly as I described.
2. Tony invents hyper-accurate quantum-jump physics in a day? A week? We won't ever know, but man, that sure was lucky. Basically inventing a new science that absolutely shatters the foundations of reality as all the characters know it, but whatever.
