Author Topic: Return Evil Characters From Discard Each Turn? (Read 2586 times)

Zircom · « **on:** April 22, 2011, 04:16:09 PM »

I apologize if someone has already brought this up before, but I wanted to verify that this would work. If I play Molech Worship and Doctrine Like Leaven on a gray Pharisee or Sadducee, the ability decrease from Doctrine Like Leaven would be offset by Molech Worship allowing you to stay set-aside indefinitely and return an evil character from your discard pile each turn?

I realize that this would really only be useful in a Pharisee heavy deck, but it seems like a good combination especially since there are not a lot of “return from discard” abilities for Evil Characters, especially humans.

Any thoughts?

Ken4Christ4ever · « **Reply #1 on:** April 22, 2011, 05:09:11 PM »

That seems like it would work, and could make for an interesting strategy!

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #2 on:** April 22, 2011, 05:10:06 PM »

are you targeting the same character with two different set asides? if so then it doesnt work

Ken4Christ4ever · « **Reply #3 on:** April 22, 2011, 05:12:28 PM »

According to the REG:

Quote from: http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/gloss_setasideenhancements.htm

Set-aside enhancements
A set-aside enhancement has the phrase “set a (type of character) aside” in its special ability. A set-aside enhancement can be played on a character of matching brigade in your territory during your Preparation Phase or Discard Phase. Its special ability activates even though it is played outside of battle. You may also play them in battle according to the rules of initiative. You can direct the effect of the set-aside card to any character you own and currently control. You may set aside a character with multiple set-aside cards if they are played at the same time.

Has this changed?

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #4 on:** April 22, 2011, 05:16:05 PM »

To my knowledge YES
Once you target the EC with the first setaside card, he is no longer there to be targeted by the next setaside card.

Zircom · « **Reply #5 on:** April 22, 2011, 05:17:10 PM »

Quote from: Ken4Christ4ever on April 22, 2011, 05:12:28 PM

According to the REG:
Quote from: http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/gloss_setasideenhancements.htm
Set-aside enhancements
A set-aside enhancement has the phrase “set a (type of character) aside” in its special ability. A set-aside enhancement can be played on a character of matching brigade in your territory during your Preparation Phase or Discard Phase. Its special ability activates even though it is played outside of battle. You may also play them in battle according to the rules of initiative. You can direct the effect of the set-aside card to any character you own and currently control. You may set aside a character with multiple set-aside cards if they are played at the same time.

Has this changed?

Yeah, that was what I was going off of. Is that not still an accurate ruling on multiple set-aside cards?

SomeKittens · « **Reply #6 on:** April 22, 2011, 06:01:50 PM »

Here we go again, with "simultaneously." I'd say you can, as I haven't heard anything to the contrary. Does this mean I can Pentecost into Boat?

EmJayBee83 · « **Reply #7 on:** April 22, 2011, 06:13:12 PM »

Quote from: Ken4Christ4ever on April 22, 2011, 05:12:28 PM

According to the REG:
Quote from: http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/gloss_setasideenhancements.htm
You may set aside a character with multiple set-aside cards if they are played at the same time.

Has this changed?

Yes--this was changed after the KC Nationals. You may no longer play simultaneous set aside cards. This was yet another fall out of the special abilities must complete set of rulings.

I do not know why this was not updated in the REG, but unless this was re-ruled I can confirm the REG is wrong.

If you want something similar, use Doctrine Like Leaven on a good pharisee (Gamaliel, Paul, or someone converted) who has been healed once with Backward Shadow, That does work (although you need to play DLL in battle).

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #8 on:** April 22, 2011, 06:45:07 PM »

Quote from: EmJayBee83 on April 22, 2011, 06:13:12 PM

If you want something similar, use Doctrine Like Leaven on a good pharisee (Gamaliel, Paul, or someone converted) who has been healed once with Backward Shadow, That does work (although you need to play DLL in battle).

I would use Doctrine on Saul/Paul as Saul first, then use Healing of Namaan to make him Paul once he is all used up. Then you can use Backward Shadow when the opportunity presents itself.

Zircom · « **Reply #9 on:** April 22, 2011, 06:51:33 PM »

Quote from: EmJayBee83 on April 22, 2011, 06:13:12 PM

Yes--this was changed after the KC Nationals. You may no longer play simultaneous set aside cards. This was yet another fall out of the special abilities must complete set of rulings.

Thanks for the clarification.

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #10 on:** April 22, 2011, 07:06:39 PM »

Oh the days of Orange alstads water to wine- Abiathar Tank... Yep those were good.

Zircom · « **Reply #11 on:** April 22, 2011, 07:08:50 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on April 22, 2011, 06:45:07 PM

Quote from: EmJayBee83 on April 22, 2011, 06:13:12 PM
If you want something similar, use Doctrine Like Leaven on a good pharisee (Gamaliel, Paul, or someone converted) who has been healed once with Backward Shadow, That does work (although you need to play DLL in battle).

I would use Doctrine on Saul/Paul as Saul first, then use Healing of Namaan to make him Paul once he is all used up. Then you can use Backward Shadow when the opportunity presents itself.

Can you use Healing of Namaan and Backward Shadow on a character that is still set aside?

So you could play DLL on Saul/Paul, heal and convert him after ~10 turns (but you would have to use Healing of Namaan in battle correct?), and then play Backward Shadow whenever to keep him set-aside permanently (or at least until someone discarded your set-asides)?

EmJayBee83 · « **Reply #12 on:** April 22, 2011, 07:52:21 PM »

Quote from: Zircom on April 22, 2011, 07:08:50 PM

Can you use Healing of Namaan and Backward Shadow on a character that is still set aside?

Sadly, no. Neither Healing of Namaan nor Backward Shadow allow you to target characters out of play.

Kirk Dennison and I both built T2 never-ending Pharisee decks around this type of combo a few years ago. Kirk's deck was most certainly better, but here is how my deck worked...

1) Block with one of the 1/3 generic pharisees, and play Momentum Change + Just a Hireling. Discard Saul to shuffle in 3 LS, and let the generic guy die--returning Just a Hireling to hand.
2) After the battle use Healing of Namaan to heal Paul.
3) The next time they make a rescue, repeat generic pharisee + Mo Change + JaH, discarding Paul this time.
4) Heal Paul using Backward Shadow.
5) The next rescue use generic pharisee + DLL (setting aside Paul) + (of course) MoChange + JaH (killing generic pharisee).

I know this doesn't convert directly to T1, but hopefully it gives you some ideas to start with.

Quote from: TheHobbit13 on April 22, 2011, 07:06:39 PM

Oh the days of Orange alstads water to wine- Abiathar Tank... Yep those were good.

I remember the look of shock on the Orange one's face the first time I played ANB after Abiathar came back from set aside.

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