Author Topic: Need ideas for another offense please (Read 5761 times)

stefferweffer · « **on:** May 03, 2010, 08:36:15 AM »

I'm working on my 15th real life deck for casual play. About the only defense I haven't tried yet is exclusively Phillistine, so I am trying that. I am thinking about a Musicians offense, as this is just about the only offense I am not using yet. What is the basic strategy of a musicians deck?

What are the "staples" for a Musicians deck please? The next questions will be who has all of those cards for sale for a good price

Thanks!

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #1 on:** May 03, 2010, 08:41:17 AM »

Musicians are no good atm. About the only thing they can do is gather Michael, have him band to the trio and play Protection of Angels unnegatably.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #2 on:** May 03, 2010, 08:54:23 AM »

Quote from: stefferweffer on May 03, 2010, 08:36:15 AM

...Phillistine, ...a Musicians offense...

Lipstick on a pig

Quote from: stefferweffer on May 03, 2010, 08:36:15 AM

What is the basic strategy of a musicians deck?

To lose

DDiceRC · « **Reply #3 on:** May 03, 2010, 09:02:14 AM »

In order to get musicians to work (and I haven't succeeded yet), you will need to use the non-white musicians and enhancements from those brigades. Currently I'm trying King Davdi/King Solomon with AotCp and Peace Treaty. You can also use gold (King Solomon/Deborah/Moses), green (David/Miriam), or red (David/Barak).

If you use another brigade of musicians, you will need to use Musicians' Chambers so that you can use all of your music-related enhancements from white brigade on the other musicians.

The problem with musicians is that there are no NT musicians-at least not until after Nationals, when the Braun family will solve that problem, at least for ourselves.

ACe · « **Reply #4 on:** May 03, 2010, 09:55:00 AM »

I just won with my musicians deck yesterday at my play group twice, once 1 on 1 and i won in a type 1 multi player

stefferweffer · « **Reply #5 on:** May 03, 2010, 10:23:42 AM »

Quote from: ACe on May 03, 2010, 09:55:00 AM

I just won with my musicians deck yesterday at my play group twice, once 1 on 1 and i won in a type 1 multi player

That's encouraging Ace. Care to tell me more about your offense? Thanks.

stefferweffer · « **Reply #6 on:** May 03, 2010, 10:33:55 AM »

Thanks for the replies. Yeah, Musicians didn't look too hot, but I'm running out of ideas. Please look at this list of my 14 offenses and tell me what I'm missing.

Red Banding Warriors with interrupts and negates
Blue Genesis
Teal Mix
Gold Mix
NT/Luke Gold with Abom defense
Purple Mix (mostly Royalty)
White NT females
Green Mix (mostly prophets)
FBTN with rainbow enhancements
FBTN banding
Silver Mix
Cannot be negated combos/choose the blocker
Garden Tomb
Big Numbers Windows of Narrow Light

Thanks for additional ideas. Another idea I just had is red non-warriors (except perhaps Centurion at Capernaum). Could use Jael, Jepthah, some NT red characters and red battle winners maybe.

DDiceRC · « **Reply #7 on:** May 03, 2010, 11:02:59 AM »

Does your gold mix go Judges-heavy? If not, that's one to try.

stefferweffer · « **Reply #8 on:** May 03, 2010, 11:46:13 AM »

It's about 75% judges, and does use the judges strategy for the most part. It does stronger with a little better with some NT heroes in there too. Thanks.

stefferweffer · « **Reply #9 on:** May 03, 2010, 11:55:19 AM »

Unless this looks awful for a casual deck, I think I will use this red offense (with a Philistine defense). It uses a lot of cards that are not in my banding warriors deck.

50 Cards (7 Lost souls)

7 Heroes

centurion at capernaum
seeker of the lost
tabitha
mentor
chloe
jepthah
Jael

1 Site

Ends of the Earth

1 Covenant
Covenant with Josiah

1 Artifact

Three Nails

10 Hero Enhancements

Faith in our High Priest
Baggage
Jael's Nail
Power of the Cross
Battle Cry
Book of Gad the Seer
Freedom
Might of Faith
Capturing Canaan
Walking on Water

2 Good Dominants

Son of God
Angel of the Lord

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #10 on:** May 03, 2010, 12:12:25 PM »

Quote from: stefferweffer on May 03, 2010, 10:33:55 AM

Thanks for the replies. Yeah, Musicians didn't look too hot, but I'm running out of ideas. Please look at this list of my 14 offenses and tell me what I'm missing.

Red Banding Warriors with interrupts and negates
Blue Genesis
Teal Mix
Gold Mix
NT/Luke Gold with Abom defense
Purple Mix (mostly Royalty)
White NT females
Green Mix (mostly prophets)
FBTN with rainbow enhancements
FBTN banding
Silver Mix
Cannot be negated combos/choose the blocker
Garden Tomb
Big Numbers Windows of Narrow Light

Thanks for additional ideas. Another idea I just had is red non-warriors (except perhaps Centurion at Capernaum). Could use Jael, Jepthah, some NT red characters and red battle winners maybe.

Heroless.

stefferweffer · « **Reply #11 on:** May 03, 2010, 12:16:29 PM »

Aha. Now that is one I have not tried. Does it work well with Philistines defense though?

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #12 on:** May 03, 2010, 12:22:54 PM »

No idea honestly. Never tried it with Philies.

ACe · « **Reply #13 on:** May 03, 2010, 12:25:47 PM »

ill put up my musicians deck a little later

Professoralstad · « **Reply #14 on:** May 03, 2010, 01:46:27 PM »

Quote from: stefferweffer on May 03, 2010, 12:16:29 PM

Aha. Now that is one I have not tried. Does it work well with Philistines defense though?

You should ask Gabe how he felt about my Heroless with Philistines.

Of course, most of the damage I inflicted was due to my Sadducees, which, IMO are necessary for a Heroless deck in this day and age, because of their ability to allow you to use U&T. But Philistines certainly helped. A combination of Phillies and Sadds can be brutal.

Of course, I have no idea how you could possibly make even a mildly successful Heroless deck at 50 cards. Mine is 70, with 15 EC's. You are welcome to try it, of course, but most offenses worth their salt could probably survive the biggest defense you could put in a 50 card deck that still needs some offense (dominants, healing cards, a battle winner or two) not to mention lots of artifacts (Holy Grail and Lampstand are necessary, and several others are recommended). The idea behind Heroless is to be able to face any type of offense and completely shut it down. So you're welcome to try it, but I would maybe go with Hero-lite, like a Zeb deck. My Zeb deck is 56 cards, and it works pretty well (it got me second in March ROOT) so if you took out the cards that you don't use in casual play, you could probably make a 50-carder pretty easily.

Red · « **Reply #15 on:** May 03, 2010, 01:55:28 PM »

Part of that second was me not being able to play you.

stefferweffer · « **Reply #16 on:** May 03, 2010, 02:36:17 PM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on May 03, 2010, 01:46:27 PM

Quote from: stefferweffer on May 03, 2010, 12:16:29 PM
Aha. Now that is one I have not tried. Does it work well with Philistines defense though?

You should ask Gabe how he felt about my Heroless with Philistines. Of course, most of the damage I inflicted was due to my Sadducees, which, IMO are necessary for a Heroless deck in this day and age, because of their ability to allow you to use U&T. But Philistines certainly helped. A combination of Phillies and Sadds can be brutal.

OK, assuming I try heroless. Other than the obvious cards like Holy Grail, what are the best battle winners for Paul? Right now I have A Child is Born, Deborah's Directive, Zeal for the Lord, Authority of Christ, Words of Encouragement, Reach of Desperation, and at least one healing card. What are the best hero enhancements for heroless? Also, do you use Storehouse?

Thanks.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #17 on:** May 03, 2010, 02:51:52 PM »

Zeal, Aocp, Reach, Blessings/protection of angels, Jordan interrupted, Trumpet blast + 1/2 healing cards are what I usually do.

As for SH I usually use it because of the size.

http://redheroless.captainofthehost.com/

Red · « **Reply #18 on:** May 03, 2010, 02:54:36 PM »

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on May 03, 2010, 02:51:52 PM

Zeal, Aocp, Reach, Blessings/protection of angels, Jordan interrupted, Trumpet blast + 1/2 healing cards are what I usually do.

As for SH I usually use it because of the size.

http://redheroless.captainofthehost.com/

BTW RR that deck link is bad.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #19 on:** May 03, 2010, 04:59:19 PM »

Quote from: stefferweffer on May 03, 2010, 02:36:17 PM

OK, assuming I try heroless. Other than the obvious cards like Holy Grail, what are the best battle winners for Paul? Right now I have A Child is Born, Deborah's Directive, Zeal for the Lord, Authority of Christ, Words of Encouragement, Reach of Desperation, and at least one healing card. What are the best hero enhancements for heroless? Also, do you use Storehouse?

In my Heroless, I use AoCP, Zeal, Reach, and TBlast, in addition to Brass Serpent. I would find any more than that excessive, and potentially hand clogging if you don't draw Storehouse very early. Since converting Paul usually happens after your opponent is decked, all his EC's are either in territory or hand. So you convert him in one turn. In the next turn, you activate Hidden Treasures and either play AoCP to clear their territory, or Trumpet Blast to clear out a protect Fort, then the next battle use AoC. You should know what they have if you use U&T, so anything they play in the first battle you should be ready for with either Zeal, Reach+AoCP, or AotL/Grapes (obviously this means you'll have to reconvert Paul, but that shouldn't be a problem).

lightningninja · « **Reply #20 on:** May 03, 2010, 05:22:01 PM »

Quote from: Prof Underwood on May 03, 2010, 08:54:23 AM

Quote from: stefferweffer on May 03, 2010, 08:36:15 AM
What is the basic strategy of a musicians deck?
To lose

This is one of the funniest things I've ever seen on these boards.

stefferweffer · « **Reply #21 on:** May 03, 2010, 06:42:39 PM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on May 03, 2010, 04:59:19 PM

Quote from: stefferweffer on May 03, 2010, 02:36:17 PM
OK, assuming I try heroless. Other than the obvious cards like Holy Grail, what are the best battle winners for Paul? Right now I have A Child is Born, Deborah's Directive, Zeal for the Lord, Authority of Christ, Words of Encouragement, Reach of Desperation, and at least one healing card. What are the best hero enhancements for heroless? Also, do you use Storehouse?

In my Heroless, I use AoCP, Zeal, Reach, and TBlast, in addition to Brass Serpent. I would find any more than that excessive, and potentially hand clogging if you don't draw Storehouse very early. Since converting Paul usually happens after your opponent is decked, all his EC's are either in territory or hand. So you convert him in one turn. In the next turn, you activate Hidden Treasures and either play AoCP to clear their territory, or Trumpet Blast to clear out a protect Fort, then the next battle use AoC. You should know what they have if you use U&T, so anything they play in the first battle you should be ready for with either Zeal, Reach+AoCP, or AotL/Grapes (obviously this means you'll have to reconvert Paul, but that shouldn't be a problem).

I keep hearing AOCP mentioned. Considering that it is Paul, why does it have to be the promo version? (Trying to save money here) Thanks again.

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #22 on:** May 03, 2010, 06:45:26 PM »

In case the unthinkable happens (Deck discard ls hitting him, etc) And you're forced to convert someone else, say Proud Pharisee

Then you want the Promo.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #23 on:** May 03, 2010, 07:20:55 PM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on May 03, 2010, 08:41:17 AM

Musicians are no good atm. About the only thing they can do is gather Michael, have him band to the trio and play Protection of Angels unnegatably.

You don't need any silver to pull that off at all. Just Band Chenaniah to Heman to Asaph and Ethan and then you can recur Protection and play it unnegateably. It's a marvellous combo.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #24 on:** May 03, 2010, 07:24:57 PM »

Quote from: Red Dragon Thorn on May 03, 2010, 06:45:26 PM

In case the unthinkable happens (Deck discard ls hitting him, etc) And you're forced to convert someone else, say Proud Pharisee Then you want the Promo.

Correct. In the original Heroless of the North (the name for my deck, since the only other widely known Heroless at the time of its creation was in Florida), I didn't use Paul, I just converted a 1/3 Sadducee to purple. So AoCP was more necessary back then. But AoC will do just fine in most cases.

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Author Topic: Need ideas for another offense please (Read 5761 times)