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This is an offense I got the idea for quite some time ago, but then forgot about it. Then Disciples came out and something re-sparked my memory....Then I forgot about it again. But I just reremembered it, and I decided that before I forget about it yet again I should post it. So here it is:

White
Asaph
Chenaniah
Ethan
Heman

Cymbals of the Levites
First Fruits (White/Teal)
Magnificat
Sing with Stringed Instruments
Words of Encouragement

Gold
Deborah
Gideon
Moses
Samson (P)

Battle Prayer (Wa)
Deborah's Directive
Eli's Sound Advice (Gold/Teal)
Samuel’s Edict

Silver
The Angel under the Oak
Angel in the Path (Wa)
Gabriel (Di)

Birth Foretold
Protection of Angels

Green
David

Provisions

Multi
Samuel (2011)

Wheel Within a Wheel (2011)

Fortress
Musicians’ Chambers

Title explains the basic theme. I think it's very interesting how these three brigades really fit together this way. However, it's large, slow, and a bit clumsy. I wonder if I could get a little help streamlining it a bit, and also fine-tuning it against the current meta, which I know very little about since I haven't played a single game in months.

Thanks for the help!

I would definitely put in Samuel and David, or maybe King David (or both). Firstfruits would also help for a bit of speed.  Otherwise it looks interesting. The nice thing is that it is small enough to fit a decent-sized defense, and since the offense has a lot of staying power, it might work well.

I'd take out the Stars because you have no CotH for an FBTN battle.

Took most suggestions. However, I left in green David and Provisions. It makes better use of Samuel's greenness than the purple kings (making Wheel easier to use), and Provisions draws almost as much as Pentecost and almost as fast. Also, it could win a battle, where Pentecost can do no such thing. It doesn't give Samuel as much drawing power, however. Maybe I'll change my mind if I find this deck far too slow.

Double post: I just realized that this deck would probably be best for TEAMS. My teammate could put in just an Angel in the Path and a Seraph, band to most of my offense, use my Musicians' Chambers, and house our defense in the rest of his deck. I could also use some of my room for an Uzzah and stuff if useful. What do you think?

I like your plan, for defense I would run this:

Uzzah, Gomer, Kot, Sabbath Breaker, Ammy's Slave, Haman's plot.

 

Should have Stone of Thebez and Gib Delegates in it.

King Solomon isn't a bad choice if you really want to get Musicians' Chambers sooner (he can also search out defensive forts) and he's a musician.

I played a Musician deck in teams at last nationals (it was a lot of fun, and sharing enhancements through Musician's Chambers was awesome since the decks were almost identical)

That being said, this isn't a dedicated Musician deck, so I'm not sure how it plays. But it does sound interesting.

What does this do better than a traditional Sam offense?

Ok, how does that make it better?

-_- I ask the question because with a few cards different it could be a normal Sam offense. If the point is not to make the deck as good as it can be, why ask for advice on it?

Ignoring what is considered "better" or "worse" in Redemption regarding OT offenses, this deck is indeed a "Samuel deck," which has become the catch-all term for spread offenses. If you want to do a slightly larger defense while avoiding the stereotypical standalone, look at Magicians.

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Also, who is to say that this is not better than a normal Sam offense?

Nobody, but nobody is able to give a reason why it is. The various branches of Samuel offenses have proven to be very effective, so I'm asking what it is about the switches this offense makes that makes it stronger. Apparently, the answer is nothing?

That isn't what I was thinking about when I had the idea, and I truly don't know. I didn't have "better" in mind when working on this - just "different". Thinking about it now, I don't see much of a reason why this would be any better than if the white were replaced with red/green/purple, except that Musicians are more focused on protection than on destruction, and people will probably be less prepared for that.

However, this is completely untested to the best of my knowledge and I can say nothing about its performance right now. You just can't know how good something is until you test it, so I don't think it's fair to ask yet how it compares to other decks.

I posted this here more because I wanted to see what people thought of the idea than because I wanted to make it the best offense possible. I'm more of an idea maker than a deck builder. Apparently some people like the idea and some just think it's a stupid variation of a Samuel offense. That's fine. But please stop asking what makes this "better", because it's getting old.

You might get your wish next year

Heavy emphasis on might. We're still pretty early in the PT process.