Author Topic: Moses (CoW) - how do you use him besides in BoM? (Read 5349 times)

Reth · « **on:** May 04, 2018, 04:50:15 PM »

Hi Guys,

what's your experience with this guy? I find him very tempting - but he's also very double edged!
So did you get him working within some other concepts besides BoM?

Already curious regarding your experiences!

Best Regards

Xonathan · « **Reply #1 on:** May 04, 2018, 04:51:49 PM »

Quote from: Reth on May 04, 2018, 04:50:15 PM

Hi Guys,

what's your experience with this guy? I find him very tempting - but he's also very double edged!
So did you get him working within some other concepts besides BoM?

Already curious regarding your experiences!

Best Regards

I've seen some great decks with Moses (CoW) using the other green cloud heroes and cloud enhancements.

kariusvega · « **Reply #2 on:** May 04, 2018, 05:01:49 PM »

He's a musician. Musician's are pretty strong atm.

He is double edged but typically your opponent is trying to get rid of him which can work to your advantage. You can get him back a ton of ways so it's good to use his tc negate when you want to negate protection or prevent enh. You can also negate him yourself with your own cards to be able to play tc enh or use tc characters. Hope gives you access to Joy in Musicians which is really strong with Music Leader/Moses and also Chenaniah/Moses and Chenaniah/Twenty Four Elders

Reth · « **Reply #3 on:** May 04, 2018, 05:17:39 PM »

Quote from: kariusvega on May 04, 2018, 05:01:49 PM

He's a musician. Musician's are pretty strong atm.

He is double edged but typically your opponent is trying to get rid of him which can work to your advantage. You can get him back a ton of ways so it's good to use his tc negate when you want to negate protection or prevent enh. You can also negate him yourself with your own cards to be able to play tc enh or use tc characters. Hope gives you access to Joy in Musicians which is really strong with Music Leader/Moses and also Chenaniah/Moses and Chenaniah/Twenty Four Elders

Interesting. I tried to implement him into a musicians deck but that did not yet work out very well.
Also how can Moses work with Chenaniah? At least when Chenaniah tries to band to him his banding gets negated and Moses goes back to Territory. Will Mose's SA stay in battle still? Even more he negates Music Leader when Moses is not negated himself.

Red · « **Reply #4 on:** May 04, 2018, 05:27:49 PM »

I have what is actually a strong RoJ Judges deck that uses him. I'll continue using him in my FoM Judges deck, which will probably be my main squeeze again this next season. He likes Daggar. Daughter's Grief + AwtSN will be good on Moses, because it kills the snot out of Caiaphas.

Reth · « **Reply #5 on:** May 04, 2018, 05:50:48 PM »

Quote from: Red on May 04, 2018, 05:27:49 PM

I have what is actually a strong RoJ Judges deck that uses him. I'll continue using him in my FoM Judges deck, which will probably be my main squeeze again this next season. He likes Daggar. Daughter's Grief + AwtSN will be good on Moses, because it kills the snot out of Caiaphas.

Which RoJ cards besides 3 Woes did you utilize for your Judges deck? I also had Judges attempt with Moses and the classic guys - but also not very successful. How did you get CoW Moses working with the Judges concept (Seat?)?

@kariusvega:
Or did you mean Joy played on MLeader resp. Chenaniah gives them opportunity for CoW Moses?

Gabe · « **Reply #6 on:** May 04, 2018, 06:12:42 PM »

Why would you use him for anything besides BoM?

Reth · « **Reply #7 on:** May 04, 2018, 06:28:10 PM »

Quote from: Gabe on May 04, 2018, 06:12:42 PM

Why would you use him for anything besides BoM?

Well BoM was the winner in T1 2016! But I'd like to figure out whether this guy can be also useful in other known (like Judges, Musicians, Prophets, ...) or maybe unknown concepts too! He's too powerful IMHO to "just" be useful in that one concept!

Red · « **Reply #8 on:** May 04, 2018, 06:33:10 PM »

Quote from: Reth on May 04, 2018, 05:50:48 PM

Quote from: Red on May 04, 2018, 05:27:49 PM
I have what is actually a strong RoJ Judges deck that uses him. I'll continue using him in my FoM Judges deck, which will probably be my main squeeze again this next season. He likes Daggar. Daughter's Grief + AwtSN will be good on Moses, because it kills the snot out of Caiaphas.
Which RoJ cards besides 3 Woes did you utilize for your Judges deck? I also had Judges attempt with Moses and the classic guys - but also not very successful. How did you get CoW Moses working with the Judges concept (Seat?)?

@kariusvega:
Or did you mean Joy played on MLeader resp. Chenaniah gives them opportunity for CoW Moses?

Judges Seat is a horrible card. A Judges deck uses the two filter angels from Rock of Ages 2 to continuously assault. I also included Fifth Seal to make my draws a tad better, along with a demon defense for reserve.

Reth · « **Reply #9 on:** May 04, 2018, 06:42:47 PM »

Quote from: Red on May 04, 2018, 06:33:10 PM

Judges Seat is a horrible card. A Judges deck uses the two filter angels from Rock of Ages 2 to continuously assault. I also included Fifth Seal to make my draws a tad better, along with a demon defense for reserve.

Interesting. The Seat concept won even Nationals back then (IIRC). Why is this meanwhile horrible for Judges? Which strategy do you follow then - even more considering Othniel coming with FoM who perfectly fits in this seat?

Red · « **Reply #10 on:** May 04, 2018, 06:49:32 PM »

Quote from: Reth on May 04, 2018, 06:42:47 PM

Quote from: Red on May 04, 2018, 06:33:10 PM
Judges Seat is a horrible card. A Judges deck uses the two filter angels from Rock of Ages 2 to continuously assault. I also included Fifth Seal to make my draws a tad better, along with a demon defense for reserve.

Interesting. The Seat concept won even Nationals back then (IIRC). Why is this meanwhile horrible for Judges? Which strategy do you follow then - even more considering Othniel coming with FoM who perfectly fits in this seat?

On that point, you do not remember correctly. Seat is slow, and better options exist to destroy territories.

Reth · « **Reply #11 on:** May 04, 2018, 06:51:35 PM »

Quote from: Red on May 04, 2018, 06:49:32 PM

On that point, you do not remember correctly. Seat is slow, and better options exist to destroy territories.

Would be interesting to see your Judges concept - maybe we can play it one day in Lackey...

Red · « **Reply #12 on:** May 04, 2018, 07:33:26 PM »

Quote from: Reth on May 04, 2018, 06:51:35 PM

Quote from: Red on May 04, 2018, 06:49:32 PM
On that point, you do not remember correctly. Seat is slow, and better options exist to destroy territories.

Would be interesting to see your Judges concept - maybe we can play it one day in Lackey...

See http://www.cactusforums.com/complete-decks/nationals-2016-15th-place-ironman-2016-winner-'legacy'/

Reth · « **Reply #13 on:** May 05, 2018, 03:40:18 PM »

Thanks (while I am not yet enough into all the new FoM cards to see where your former deck might heading to ...).

Any other deck ideas proposals? For Musisicans, Prophets, ...?

Josh · « **Reply #14 on:** May 05, 2018, 06:31:33 PM »

Quote from: Reth on May 05, 2018, 03:40:18 PM

Thanks (while I am not yet enough into all the new FoM cards to see where your former deck might heading to ...).

Any other deck ideas proposals? For Musisicans, Prophets, ...?

There's probably a Green/White/Clay build with Faith of Samuel/Faith of David that can basically add Moses to a Martyrs/Paul offense.

Red Wing · « **Reply #15 on:** May 05, 2018, 06:48:22 PM »

Quote from: Josh on May 05, 2018, 06:31:33 PM

Quote from: Reth on May 05, 2018, 03:40:18 PM
Thanks (while I am not yet enough into all the new FoM cards to see where your former deck might heading to ...).

Any other deck ideas proposals? For Musisicans, Prophets, ...?

There's probably a Green/White/Clay build with Faith of Samuel/Faith of David that can basically add Moses to a Martyrs/Paul offense.

Look no further... http://www.cactusforums.com/type-1-deck-advice/the-next-big-thing-zekejustin/

Asahel24601 · « **Reply #16 on:** May 05, 2018, 06:59:43 PM »

I ran him in a Zeke/Zoo deck with Simon and Invoking Terror. The Zeke enhancements are CBP, so Moses can play them, and IT can underdeck him if you need to be rid of him for your own cards. It's strong enough to be decent. It wasn't as strong as the Zeke/Justin deck above, but it worked.

Reth · « **Reply #17 on:** July 30, 2018, 03:09:22 PM »

Quote from: kariusvega on May 04, 2018, 05:01:49 PM

He's a musician. Musician's are pretty strong atm.

He is double edged but typically your opponent is trying to get rid of him which can work to your advantage. You can get him back a ton of ways so it's good to use his tc negate when you want to negate protection or prevent enh. You can also negate him yourself with your own cards to be able to play tc enh or use tc characters. Hope gives you access to Joy in Musicians which is really strong with Music Leader/Moses and also Chenaniah/Moses and Chenaniah/Twenty Four Elders

Sorry - need to ask that: How did you get him working well with e.g. Music Leader? How to de-/activate him at whish in order to benefit from ML's search capabilities while having Moses ready for RAs?

The Guardian · « **Reply #18 on:** July 30, 2018, 03:17:30 PM »

While Moses and Music Leader aren't the greatest pairing together, it is worth noting that if you have at least one in play, then you're probably giving your opponent a bit of a headache one way or the other. Personally I like to keep my offenses to 3 or fewer brigades these days and Moses/Music Leader already has 4 with just those 2 characters.

Bobbert · « **Reply #19 on:** July 30, 2018, 03:22:19 PM »

Quote from: Reth on July 30, 2018, 03:09:22 PM

Quote from: kariusvega on May 04, 2018, 05:01:49 PM
He's a musician. Musician's are pretty strong atm.

He is double edged but typically your opponent is trying to get rid of him which can work to your advantage. You can get him back a ton of ways so it's good to use his tc negate when you want to negate protection or prevent enh. You can also negate him yourself with your own cards to be able to play tc enh or use tc characters. Hope gives you access to Joy in Musicians which is really strong with Music Leader/Moses and also Chenaniah/Moses and Chenaniah/Twenty Four Elders

Sorry - need to ask that: How did you get him working well with e.g. Music Leader? How to de-/activate him at whish in order to benefit from ML's search capabilities while having Moses ready for RAs?

That's what Joy is for!*

*forget that you then need to actually attack with Music Leaders in order for this to work. Low numbers is good for initiative, right?

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Author Topic: Moses (CoW) - how do you use him besides in BoM? (Read 5349 times)

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