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Interesting thought.... the only problem would be discarding your opponent's son of God before they can activate it and getting rid of angel of the lord or always using some form of angel of the lord stopping cards such as two thousand horses or Uzzah. These are easy enough goals for certain but you may want to try running a saul paul or holy grail or some  convert card and a few enhancements. Great deck idea though.

Well there is no way that you could be assured of taking your opponent's SoG out. A well built defense won't necessarily need to take out AotL either, there are plenty of ways around it.

If you could get Lampstand and Altar of Ahaz active fairly quickly, then use a Sadducee defense, getting rid of Son of God is as simple as High Priest's Plot. Your opponent essentially has to get both SoG/NJ and realize what you are trying to do in order to counter the strategy. Once you get rid of SoG, you can deactivate Altar and play your own. The nice thing about Sadducees is that you can band two of them together and still have decent initiative. Throw in a Judas for some unnegatability, and he is also very helpful in making AotL less effective. Other pros to using Sadducees are as follows:

-Three High Priests with which you can use Urim and Thummin (which helps to ensure they have SoG)
-They're Black, which when played right, can be one of the most effective colors for shutting down offenses.
-Searchability (Caiaphas) and Recurrability (Doctrine Like Leaven)
-High Priest's Palace is a protection fort that doubles as a host for two very nice defensive arts.

My Heroless that did well in tournaments was a Black/Crimson mix, based on all these ideas (except DLL, which wasn't around yet). Some other helpful hints:

Unknown Nation is a must for this strategy. It's more than likely that your opponent will be able to use at least one battle winner (possibly AotL). If UN is active, you can search for someone who either gets initiative, or is unaffected by whatever else they might have. (if you're going against Widow, 9 times out of 10 their battle winner is AocP. Search for Judas, and presto! They lose. You probably won't even have to play an enhancement, unless they use Reach)

The difficult thing with Heroless is you have to be prepared for just about anything. Fortunately, you have a massive defense. The nice thing with your idea is that you won't have to worry about keeping your good enhancements or Saul/Paul safe, so you can have even more defense ready.

Interesting story: the one time I lost in a tournament with my Heroless was once when someone activated Lampstand and Altar of Dagon, attacked me once early on, and won 3-2. He literally built the deck just for me. I was honored and appalled all at the same time.

Anyway, hope that helped. Good luck!

The deck you are describing is offenseless. Ask Mike Hue, he used it in the Ohio nationals.

Considering that SoG/NJ provide 40% of a person's offense in most games, I wouldn't call any deck with those two offenseless. Just sayin'.

But you could never place place with this. You'd always get 2 points, instead of 3. It is a cool idea though. What I do is make a 100 card deck with a solid brigade color (black or pale green). Then, you have two double souls to give while still keeping up your altar of ahaz. But once again, timeout won't win you tournaments.