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Re: Your ideas for utilising Angelic Army
« Reply #50 on: July 31, 2017, 02:48:47 PM »
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Modifiers are not special abilities so they are not negatable.
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Re: Your ideas for utilising Angelic Army
« Reply #51 on: July 31, 2017, 02:51:16 PM »
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Can you please elaborate this a little in terms of this example?

And what about my 2nd question (posted in parallel to your response)?
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Re: Your ideas for utilising Angelic Army
« Reply #52 on: July 31, 2017, 03:03:08 PM »
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Quote from: Reth on July 31, 2017, 02:51:16 PM
Can you please elaborate this a little in terms of this example?

And what about my 2nd question (posted in parallel to your response)?

For whether Humble is activate or not, the order cards come down doesn't matter. No matter whether Moses comes down before or after Humble, Humble's ability will work because it cannot be negated.

The reason a territory character can gain CBP from Humble when moving from territory to battle is because the territory class character deactivates when it leaves territory and reactivates when it enters battle. During this reactivation it can gain CBx.
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Re: Your ideas for utilising Angelic Army
« Reply #53 on: July 31, 2017, 03:06:03 PM »
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Quote from: Reth on July 31, 2017, 02:51:16 PM
Can you please elaborate this a little in terms of this example?

And what about my 2nd question (posted in parallel to your response)?

Moses negates special abilities. Modifiers are not special abilities.

TC characters are CBP/CBN/CBI when they are activated. If you put down Music Leader in territory and I activate Covenant with Death, your Music Leader is now negated. If you draw the Humble LS, Music Leader is still negated unless you then attack with him, which reactivates his ability and his ability can then gain the CBP from Humble LS (assuming the condition is met).

*kevinthedude beat me to it.  :P
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Re: Your ideas for utilising Angelic Army
« Reply #54 on: July 31, 2017, 03:09:44 PM »
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Quote from: The Guardian on July 31, 2017, 03:06:03 PM
Quote from: Reth on July 31, 2017, 02:51:16 PM
Can you please elaborate this a little in terms of this example?

And what about my 2nd question (posted in parallel to your response)?

Moses negates special abilities. Modifiers are not special abilities.

TC characters are CBP/CBN/CBI when they are activated. If you put down Music Leader in territory and I activate Covenant with Death, your Music Leader is now negated. If you draw the Humble LS, Music Leader is still negated unless you then attack with him, which reactivates his ability and his ability can then gain the CBP from Humble LS (assuming the condition is met).

*kevinthedude beat me to it.  :P

To clarify, when the now CBP Music Leader leaves battle, it will deactivate as a character in battle and reactivate as a territory class character when it reenters territory, losing the CBP from Humble since it is no longer "during battle", correct? Or does the return to territory and reactivation occur during battle resolution and thus still be "during battle"?
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Re: Your ideas for utilising Angelic Army
« Reply #55 on: July 31, 2017, 03:12:23 PM »
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That question occurred to me as well...I believe "during battle" only refers to the actual battle, and not battle resolution, but I'm much less certain on that point.
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Re: Your ideas for utilising Angelic Army
« Reply #56 on: July 31, 2017, 03:15:14 PM »
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Thanx guys!

But these explanations reminds me on that thread about the complex and confusing rules (and the ones given bye Kevinthedude and The Guardian are some kind of déjà vu somehow - think I already read this once back then here or in Lackey).
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Re: Your ideas for utilising Angelic Army
« Reply #57 on: July 31, 2017, 03:24:11 PM »
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Quote from: The Guardian on July 31, 2017, 03:12:23 PM
That question occurred to me as well...I believe "during battle" only refers to the actual battle, and not battle resolution, but I'm much less certain on that point.

I'm not sure I see how "during battle" can mean anything except the battle phase itself. Regardless of how Humble plays into it, do you know if the reactivation of the territory class character in territory occurs during the battle phase?
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Re: Your ideas for utilising Angelic Army
« Reply #58 on: July 31, 2017, 03:27:05 PM »
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My understanding (and this could be wrong, I'm not 100% certain) is that the Battle Phase consists of two parts: "battle" and "battle resolution," which is why cards that activate "after battle" happen during battle resolution. TC characters would activate upon entering territory during battle resolution.
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Re: Your ideas for utilising Angelic Army
« Reply #59 on: July 31, 2017, 03:33:52 PM »
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Quote from: The Guardian on July 31, 2017, 03:27:05 PM
My understanding (and this could be wrong, I'm not 100% certain) is that the Battle Phase consists of two parts: "battle" and "battle resolution," which is why cards that activate "after battle" happen during battle resolution. TC characters would activate upon entering territory during battle resolution.

After checking through the REG you are definitely at least correct that "battle" and "battle resolution" are two different things so for the matter at hand it would seem that Music Leader would not reactivate in territory "during battle". Now I have a new question though since the REG seems to conflict on this. Are "battle" and "battle resolution" two parts of the overall "battle phase" or does "battle phase" only refer to the "battle" portion and "battle resolution" occurs either it its own mini-phase or is it not part of a phase at all? The End of the Battle entry especially strongly indicates that the battle resolution is not part of the main "battle phase".
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Re: Your ideas for utilising Angelic Army
« Reply #60 on: July 31, 2017, 03:50:31 PM »
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Do after battle abilities trigger before a hero is being discarded/mutual destruction?
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Re: Your ideas for utilising Angelic Army
« Reply #61 on: August 08, 2017, 08:45:03 PM »
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Didn't read thread, here to agree with the people saying Army was over-restricted into "not worth it" territory.
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Re: Your ideas for utilising Angelic Army
« Reply #62 on: August 08, 2017, 08:58:22 PM »
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I used Army at nats for t22P and it was awesome. Using the discard on tough ECs , gates of hell, or even a curse was awesome considering I was burning GoYS, SoG, and Second Coming anyway. It got me souls and didn't regret it in the least.
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Re: Your ideas for utilising Angelic Army
« Reply #63 on: August 08, 2017, 09:32:03 PM »
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Re: Your ideas for utilising Angelic Army
« Reply #64 on: August 08, 2017, 09:52:32 PM »
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