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What are the CURRENT TOP 5?
« on: July 18, 2012, 11:08:12 AM »
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How would you rank the top 5 defenses, top 5 offenses, and then the top five complete offense/defense combinations with the cards that are available going into the 2012 National Tournament? (I am just trying to get a perspective outside of our small playgroup bubble)
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Re: What are the CURRENT TOP 5?
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2012, 12:19:17 PM »
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Samuel, Isaiah, Daniel splash, FBtN banding, and Joseph are probably the top 5 most common/best offenses that you'll see. As for defense, it really depends on how people play it, you'll see a lot of splash, Assyrians, Canaanites, Gen Egyptians, and Magicians everywhere. Together, I'm not quite sure but just put almost any of these together and they could work depending on how people play them (especially Gen-Egyptians).
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Re: What are the CURRENT TOP 5?
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2012, 12:39:38 PM »
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Top Offenses
Sam/FBTNB
WaterGarden
GardenDisciples
Other Sam variants
Genesis/Egyptians

Defenses (in no particular order)
Babs
Egyptians
Magicians/Assyrians
Standalone
Pharisees
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What are the CURRENT TOP 5?
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2012, 12:42:37 PM »
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I'm more inclined to agree with red wings offensive list

Also this thread probably needs defining between t-1 and t-2
« Last Edit: July 18, 2012, 12:45:41 PM by jbeers285 »
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Re: What are the CURRENT TOP 5?
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2012, 01:29:43 PM »
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Sorry...my question was coming from the perspective of Type-1 only.
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Re: What are the CURRENT TOP 5?
« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2012, 01:30:50 PM »
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Quote from: KoalaKingoFA on July 18, 2012, 12:19:17 PM
Samuel, Isaiah, Daniel splash, FBtN banding, and Joseph are probably the top 5 most common/best offenses that you'll see.
Isaiah doesn't have the speed or the power to be a top offense, IMO. Daniel may be underrated, but again, probably not fast enough.
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Re: What are the CURRENT TOP 5?
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2012, 01:34:59 PM »
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Offenses:
1. Watertomb
2. Gardenciples
3. FbtN Sam
4. Genesis
5. Green/Gold Sam
6. Isaiah
7. Red/Purple Sam
8. Green/Teal
(Extra numbers to include 5 offenses that aren't just variations)

Defenses (most effective, not best):
1. Meta
2. Babylonians
3. Goliath
4. ???
5. Bees
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Re: What are the CURRENT TOP 5?
« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2012, 01:54:25 PM »
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Is the Watertomb referring to Samaritan Water Jar and Garden Tomb? Sorry for the question but I don't want to assume...
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Re: What are the CURRENT TOP 5?
« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2012, 02:10:36 PM »
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Yes, essentially.
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Re: What are the CURRENT TOP 5?
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2012, 03:06:00 PM »
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Quote from: Minister Polarius on July 18, 2012, 01:34:59 PM
4. ???
Coincidentally that's the face most of my opponents make when they see my defense.
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Re: What are the CURRENT TOP 5?
« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2012, 10:28:45 PM »
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Quote from: Minister Polarius on July 18, 2012, 01:34:59 PM
Offenses:
1. Watertomb
2. Gardenciples
3. FbtN Sam
4. Genesis
5. Green/Gold Sam
6. Isaiah
7. Red/Purple Sam
8. Green/Teal
(Extra numbers to include 5 offenses that aren't just variations)

Defenses (most effective, not best):
1. Meta
2. Babylonians
3. Goliath
4. ???
5. Bees

I think you are right except I think Sam/FBTN is better than Gardensciples.
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Re: What are the CURRENT TOP 5?
« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2012, 10:35:33 PM »
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I'd agree if it weren't for the fact that everyone is gunning for Sam decks.
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Re: What are the CURRENT TOP 5?
« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2012, 12:06:19 AM »
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Offense:
Sam Variants
TGT Variants
Disciples Variants
Isaiah Variants
Genesis

Defense (assuming you're dedicated):
Gates of Samaria
Magicians
Black
Egyptians
Babylonians

Quote from: Minister Polarius on July 18, 2012, 10:35:33 PM
I'd agree if it weren't for the fact that everyone is gunning for Sam decks.
This is a very good point, but in a speed versus speed world, it really doesn't matter most of the time.
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Re: What are the CURRENT TOP 5?
« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2012, 04:37:00 PM »
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Any thoughts now that Nationals 2012 is in our rear view mirrors?
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Re: What are the CURRENT TOP 5?
« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2012, 04:47:58 PM »
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The Deck
Gardensciple
Old-school sa,
Isaiah
FBTNB
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Re: What are the CURRENT TOP 5?
« Reply #15 on: August 20, 2012, 05:56:14 PM »
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Quote from: Red on August 20, 2012, 04:47:58 PM
The Deck
Gardensciple
Old-school sa,
Isaiah
FBTNB

Really? FBTNB at the bottom of those five? Sheesh. Apparently winning Nats just isn't good enough anymore...
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Re: What are the CURRENT TOP 5?
« Reply #16 on: August 20, 2012, 07:16:08 PM »
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Quote from: Professoralstad on August 20, 2012, 05:56:14 PM
Quote from: Red on August 20, 2012, 04:47:58 PM
The Deck
Gardensciple
Old-school sa,
Isaiah
FBTNB

Really? FBTNB at the bottom of those five? Sheesh. Apparently winning Nats just isn't good enough anymore...
It's Martin Miller. He's the only person who can do THAT well with it. If it had two Ishmaiah's I'd make it higher.
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Re: What are the CURRENT TOP 5?
« Reply #17 on: August 20, 2012, 07:20:43 PM »
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The Deck
Aggro FBTNB
Gardenciples
Old "Sam" Variants (Red/Purple, Teal/Green, etc.)
Genesis

Quote from: Red on August 20, 2012, 07:16:08 PM
Quote from: Professoralstad on August 20, 2012, 05:56:14 PM
Quote from: Red on August 20, 2012, 04:47:58 PM
The Deck
Gardensciple
Old-school sa,
Isaiah
FBTNB

Really? FBTNB at the bottom of those five? Sheesh. Apparently winning Nats just isn't good enough anymore...
It's Martin Miller. He's the only person who can do THAT well with it. If it had two Ishmaiah's I'd make it higher.
Entirely disagree. The reason his FBTNB deck was so good was because he used a defense that got blocks and helped with speed. If more people had played it, The Deck would have been swallowed whole. RDT (well, and JSB) was the only one to use a decent defense, and look where he ended up! I'm becoming more and more convinced that good offenses will be compact enough to make room for defense.
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