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Re: Set Rotation food for thought
« Reply #75 on: May 08, 2018, 03:54:27 PM »
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thought for reprints:
As by way of reference, other games have dealt with similar issues. Players are permitted to play with the older version of the card IF they can present a correct version of the card to any opponent who asks (so, Jimmy ask me what that card does, I can pull out the newer copy to show him. Alternatively, Jimmy can ask a judge to show him the ORCID version on an app).
Out of curiosity, what games are those?  MtG, Pokemon, and Yugioh allows players to play old cards in place of reprints.  Recently FFG issued a second edition of the Android NetRunner core set with new art, but still allows players with the original cards to play them.

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Re: Set Rotation food for thought
« Reply #76 on: May 08, 2018, 03:58:29 PM »
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Yes, that's correct, Gabe, as far as what I was referring to. Ok so since we already have the "cards to change" list going (that Justin cited), I would be happy to start a "cards to keep as-is (but update old wording) post-set rotation" thread where we can try to make a community list together.

I think it'll be easy at first but get pretty difficult as we get into the last sets before I/J. But it should be fun, thanks!  :)
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Re: Set Rotation food for thought
« Reply #77 on: May 08, 2018, 04:02:06 PM »
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I am concerned how old cards (pre I/J) are still being added to new packs (less of a problem with TexP and Di). I could envision a "legacy set" of ~240 reprinted identical/rebalanced old cards from pre I/J being made to fill that spot and be used over the course of 3-4 years VS taking up a whole year just to reprint old cards. I think that would lay a very solid groundwork for set rotation. I'm not sure how set rotation could ever happen as long as old cards are included in new packs :/. That's just my  :2cents:.

Edit: Personally I would be very happy if it was just 5 cards from a "legacy set" included in a pack with 5 new cards. (so 5 new cards 4c 1r with 5 "legacy set" cards 4c 1r) and that could also give the opportunity to add a Legacy Rare as a replacement to the "legacy set" rare instead of a replacement to the new rare ;)

P.S. That was a long edit lol
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Re: Set Rotation food for thought
« Reply #78 on: May 08, 2018, 04:15:36 PM »
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I am concerned how old cards (pre I/J) are still being added to new packs (less of a problem with TexP and Di). I could envision a "legacy set" of ~240 reprinted identical/rebalanced old cards from pre I/J being made to fill that spot and be used over the course of 3-4 years VS taking up a whole year just to reprint old cards. I think that would lay a very solid groundwork for set rotation. I'm not sure how set rotation could ever happen as long as old cards are included in new packs :/. That's just my  :2cents:.

Edit: Personally I would be very happy if it was just 5 cards from a "legacy set" included in a pack with 5 new cards. (so 5 new cards 4c 1r with 5 "legacy set" cards 4c 1r) and that could also give the opportunity to add a Legacy Rare as a replacement to the "legacy set" rare instead of a replacement to the new rare ;)

I know many share the opinion that old cards shouldn't be included in the new packs (myself included). But are we, and more importantly the casual consumer, willing for fork over twice as much money to add another 5 new cards to the packs? Adding the old cards is cost free for Cactus. Adding new ones is not.

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Re: Set Rotation food for thought
« Reply #79 on: May 08, 2018, 04:22:32 PM »
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thought for reprints:
As by way of reference, other games have dealt with similar issues. Players are permitted to play with the older version of the card IF they can present a correct version of the card to any opponent who asks (so, Jimmy ask me what that card does, I can pull out the newer copy to show him. Alternatively, Jimmy can ask a judge to show him the ORCID version on an app).
Out of curiosity, what games are those?  MtG, Pokemon, and Yugioh allows players to play old cards in place of reprints.  Recently FFG issued a second edition of the Android NetRunner core set with new art, but still allows players with the original cards to play them.

Ya, all of those are great examples of what I mentioned. (I try not to reference other specific games as best as possible, but reference the principle being discussed)
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Re: Set Rotation food for thought
« Reply #80 on: May 08, 2018, 04:27:44 PM »
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Hold on, would an additional 5 new cards really add $5 to the price tag? I can’t pretend to know Cactus’ production costs but this is just cardstock and ink

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Re: Set Rotation food for thought
« Reply #81 on: May 08, 2018, 04:29:51 PM »
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Hold on, would an additional 5 new cards really add $5 to the price tag? I can’t pretend to know Cactus’ production costs but this is just cardstock and ink

Probably not, that was inaccurate on my part. But it does increase the price beyond the current $5 price point. We spent a good deal of time looking at options this year to make that happen and didn't find anything better than the current distribution method.
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Re: Set Rotation food for thought
« Reply #82 on: May 08, 2018, 05:20:21 PM »
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Hold on, would an additional 5 new cards really add $5 to the price tag? I can’t pretend to know Cactus’ production costs but this is just cardstock and ink
This is just a guess based off of what I used to know... since the sets are print on demand, Rob is doing smaller print runs then what he used to do back in the Apostles (which was over printed) or Pats days. Smaller print runs equals a higher cost per card. The American print on demand services are a bit more expensive then the traditional American printers that Rob used to use back in the day.

I'm sure if Rob switched to a Chinese printer like he did with Priests and G/H the cost would drop but he would have to put up a larger initial investment which I'm not sure is a viable option.
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Re: Set Rotation food for thought
« Reply #83 on: May 08, 2018, 05:30:33 PM »
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From what I know, that is essentially correct. I believe Rob is getting the best "bulk price" available for print on-demand, but it's still much more expensive on a per card basis than the foil pack sets.
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