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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Deck Building & Design => Topic started by: FresnoRedemption on July 24, 2008, 06:11:09 PM
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I have a few questions about the cards being put in my deck. I recently attended my first tournment, and through that experience and through talking to others, I have learned that there are certain cards that should be in every deck, regardless of brigade color. So my questions are these:
1) I was told that there are seven lost souls that should be in every deck. What are they?
2) Besides the standard four Dominants (Angel of the Lord, Burial, Christian Martyr, and Son of God), and besides New Jerusalem, what are some other cards that sould be in every deck?
3) Finally, obviously it's hard to have certain cards in every deck, considering that not every card can be played with every brigade. So what type of cards should be in every deck? For instance, it's pretty obvious that every deck should have some kind of negate cards. But are there any other type of cards that should be in there?
Thanks!
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Here are the cards that I think EVERY deck needs. Everything else is optional. Also, I listed the lost souls below that I commonly see.
Son of God
New Jerusalem
Angel of the Lord
Christian Martyr
Hopper (not counted in the 7)
Lost Souls (2 line)
Shuffler
Revealer
NT Only
Female Only
Anti-Burial
Wanderer (Also known as Switcher, Poser, Hater, etc)
These lost souls can change based on what kind of deck you're using, most common example being sites. I would assume with the new lost souls coming out there will be much more variation, but this is the most common set-up I've seen.
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Here's some very common cards for all of my T1 2P decks:
Son of God
New Jerusalem
Angel of the Lord
Christian Martyr
Burial
Destruction of Nehushtan
Wall of Protection
King of Tyrus
Captured Ark
Unknown Nation
Blue Tassels
1-2 Heroes with banding abilities
1-2 Evil Characters with banding abilities
1-2 FBTN Heroes
Exchanger LS
Revealer LS
Female LS
NT LS
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Thank you.
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Here's some cards that I would recommend for almost any T1 2P deck:
Son of God
New Jerusalem
Angel of the Lord
Christian Martyr
Destruction of Nehushtan
Wall of Protection
Captured Ark
Kingdoms of the World
Exchanger LS
Revealer LS
Anti-burial LS
Demon-discard LS
1st round protect LS
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chariots of fire, and hormah are also really popular in my experiences also
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1 and 3 have been answered
Staples for my deck not on the list
Don
Falling away
and I usualy remove burial.
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my staples are...
SoG
NJ
AotL
GoyS
CM
Burial
FA
DoN
N.T. Ls
Womans Ls
Wanderer Ls
Revealer Ls
G Cow
Plagued with Diseases.
Here are the cards that I think EVERY deck needs.
Hopper (not counted in the 7)
Lost Souls (2 line)
Personally... these two have only been nuscances to me. The two-liner almost ALWAYS gives them two points, and the hopper is almost ALWAYS Harvest Time'd. Because of this, I choose to leave them out out of almost every deck I build.
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Whats G Cow?
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Golden Calf
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Well, I think there are five dominants almost essential for every deck:
SoG
NJ
AoL
CM
FA
GoyS, DoN, and Burial are also pretty important, but not necessarily necessary. The three most important lost souls are the Female, NT, and 4+. (Plus, I think the Lost Souls and the Hopper are extremely useful.)
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Well, I think there are five dominants almost essential for every deck:
SoG
NJ
AoL
CM
FA
GoyS, DoN, and Burial are also pretty important, but not necessarily necessary. The three most important lost souls are the Female, NT, and 4+. (Plus, I think the Lost Souls and the Hopper are extremely useful.)
I would disagree. I always include DoN, but only sometimes include falling away. Also i think the 2 line is more important than the 4+. Oh well everyone has their opinions.
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in my experiences I have always hated the 4+. It's just a lost soul that does nothing and can't be rescued by a dominant.
son of god
new jerusalem
don
falling away
guardian
christian martyr
burial
angel of the lord
2-line
female
NT
wanderer
anti-burial
1st round
revealer
unholy writ
chariot of fire
yeah, those are most. I'll update if I can think of more... I'll have to look at my deck.
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I have always hated the 4+. It's just a lost soul that does nothing and can't be rescued by a dominant.
That's why it's nice!
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I have always hated the 4+. It's just a lost soul that does nothing and can't be rescued by a dominant.
That's why it's nice!
no, you want to be able to rescue your own lost souls so that your opponenet never has the chance.
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I have always hated the 4+. It's just a lost soul that does nothing and can't be rescued by a dominant.
That's why it's nice!
no, you want to be able to rescue your own lost souls so that your opponenet never has the chance.
but if he can't rescue it, it wont matter.....
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chariots of fire, and hormah are also really popular in my experiences also
:amen: I couldn't agree more. if you have hormah, you absolutely must have the site doubler, so if one of your human ec's dies, horman & its contents are placed under draw pile. i once did it to a guy 4 times in one game, but torment saved me...once :D
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I have always hated the 4+. It's just a lost soul that does nothing and can't be rescued by a dominant.
That's why it's nice!
no, you want to be able to rescue your own lost souls so that your opponenet never has the chance.
but if he can't rescue it, it wont matter.....
Exactly! You don't want to have only lost souls that everyone has access to just so that you can rescue them yourself! Besides, there are only two lost souls in the game that are immune to SoG and NJ (the 4+ and the NT), so you still have at least five other self-rescuable lost souls if you have those two in your deck.
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I have always hated the 4+. It's just a lost soul that does nothing and can't be rescued by a dominant.
That's why it's nice!
no, you want to be able to rescue your own lost souls so that your opponenet never has the chance.
but if he can't rescue it, it wont matter.....
Exactly! You don't want to have only lost souls that everyone has access to just so that you can rescue them yourself! Besides, there are only two lost souls in the game that are immune to SoG and NJ (the 4+ and the NT), so you still have at least five other self-rescuable lost souls if you have those two in your deck.
In my opinion, I have never once slowed someone down with that lost soul. They attack with tsa, phineus, joshua the high priest, heck anyone, and it rarely stops them. And even if it does hold them back, they will just attack with a different hero so that they can rescue it. I prefer lost souls that are more usefull and in despereate situation I can use son of god and new jerusalem to rescue them. But that's just me.:)
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I have come across a position once where my opponent would have used spy to make a rescue, but chose another hero because of that lost soul, and thus I was able to set fire to his territory with Ashpenaz....Just sayin'. ::)
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right, and it can come in handy, but i find that other lost souls can be more usefull than that one. I don't find it a "required card", which is what this thread is all about.
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I think it's essential, but I am an idiot. :P
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Ever thought about combining it with decreasers such as Plagued with Diseases?
Also... its an awesome card because it can help stop initiative characters.
Its actually helped me fend of quite a few RAs.
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What's RAs?
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Rescue Attempts.
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Ever thought about combining it with decreasers such as Plagued with Diseases?
Also... its an awesome card because it can help stop initiative characters.
Its actually helped me fend of quite a few RAs.
Why do you think Plagued with deases is a staple for every deck? It isn't even that good.
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Ha. Haha. HAHAHAHAHA.
I sincerely hope I play you at Nats in t-1 2-p.
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Ever thought about combining it with decreasers such as Plagued with Diseases?
Also... its an awesome card because it can help stop initiative characters.
Its actually helped me fend of quite a few RAs.
Why do you think Plagued with deases is a staple for every deck? It isn't even that good.
He didn't say it was required in every deck, did he? I think he was just talking about combining it with the *4 LS.
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The doms are pretty take it or leave it in T2 (always take it, but they don't win games), although you're pwned without Guardian in MP. I'd have to pick the following:
Widow
Aoc (Pr)
Uzzah
Urim+Thrum
Zeal, although it can be really problematic at times. A good player will keep their EC's really close to their chest. It follows that if you are, in fact, a good player, you will have a hard time using this against two of the opponenet's characters
Death of Unrighteous
TSA (he still pwns)
Unholy Writ
-Ross
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Phineas son of Eleazar
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Faithful Servant Promo ( I'm being serious believe it or not ) It's the most powerful card in type 1 ever! :-*
I can't believe no one's beat me to the punch on this one BUCKLER!
The other cards people have listed are pretty much it, although I don't think PwD counts as a staple. ::)
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Ehud and Elishama. Wow, where was Lambo on that one..... ;)
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Ehud and Elishama. Wow, where was Lambo on that one..... ;)
Ehud is my dude ;) but it depends on the colors I play I guess the most needed in my decks is
At least 1 card people have to read cuz no one uses it.
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Ehud is definitely a super special guy. ;)
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Ehud is definitely a super special guy. ;)
Yes, very yes. I love people arguing against me when I use my super ehud combo.
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...Training in Righteousness and Helmet of Brass?
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...Training in Righteousness and Helmet of Brass?
haha..... such a noob. ;) jk, I"ve come up with some REDICULOUS combos with Ehud. Also Moses. Play training, add green, prophet and a judge...... oh snap.
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...Training in Righteousness and Helmet of Brass?
haha..... such a noob. ;) jk, I"ve come up with some REDICULOUS combos with Ehud. Also Moses. Play training, add green, prophet and a judge...... oh snap.
Don't forget he's also an NT Female Angel
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...Training in Righteousness and Helmet of Brass?
haha..... such a noob. ;) jk, I"ve come up with some REDICULOUS combos with Ehud. Also Moses. Play training, add green, prophet and a judge...... oh snap.
Lol try ehud + choosing an immune guy... :D oh the fun. :D
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You can't get any better than Ehud with HoB, I'm tellin' ya....
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Ehud was a prophet, right? If not, just use moses, obedience of noah(TIR) with hidden treasures, then play "shiboleth." Good times, good times...
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Uh...doesn't Moses negate all those enhancements? And also doesn't Shibboleth say "if an evil character is in battle?"
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Uh...doesn't Moses negate all those enhancements? And also doesn't Shibboleth say "if an evil character is in battle?"
You use either holy of holies or the sabbath. And didn't you read how I said to use "obedience of Noah?" You choose one of your own guys that doesn't match in brigade.
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Ooooooooh, oh-oh-oh-oh-oh, I see now.
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Ehud and Elishama. Wow, where was Lambo on that one..... ;)
Notice this is an old thread... it got arisen from the dead.
Uh...doesn't Moses negate all those enhancements?
theres a non FBTN version of moses.
And also doesn't Shibboleth say "if an evil character is in battle?"
Hence Obed of Noah.
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Ha. Haha. HAHAHAHAHA.
I sincerely hope I play you at Nats in t-1 2-p.
Hmmm, did that happen? Hobbit ended up taking 2nd. Represent MN! ;D
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No it didn't. I hover around 25 most of the tourney with my oddball deck.
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No it didn't. I hover around 25 most of the tourney with my oddball deck.
Who cares if it's oddball? I mean it is kinda cool but then again why were you messing around with it at Nationals? It's fine that you did it, but I am just saying if I was you I wouldn't have used an oddball deck. :-\
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Oddball at Nats means not speed usually. I was using it to prove a point.
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No it didn't. I hover around 25 most of the tourney with my oddball deck.
Who cares if it's oddball? I mean it is kinda cool but then again why were you messing around with it at Nationals? It's fine that you did it, but I am just saying if I was you I wouldn't have used an oddball deck. :-\
Depends how you define 'oddball'
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Oddball at Nats means not speed usually. I was using it to prove a point.
I don't think oddball=not speed these days. I would actually consider Tim's deck more oddball than any defense-heavy, hero-lite or heroless deck. How many other people used hand-control? I wasn't there, but I'm guessing not many.
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Oddball at Nats means not speed usually. I was using it to prove a point.
Then I had an odball deck, which I don't consider mine to be.
Oddball at Nats means not speed usually. I was using it to prove a point.
I don't think oddball=not speed these days. I would actually consider Tim's deck more oddball than any defense-heavy, hero-lite or heroless deck. How many other people used hand-control? I wasn't there, but I'm guessing not many.
I forgot about Tim's deck lol *puts foot in mouth*
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Oddball at Nats means not speed usually. I was using it to prove a point.
I don't think oddball=not speed these days. I would actually consider Tim's deck more oddball than any defense-heavy, hero-lite or heroless deck. How many other people used hand-control? I wasn't there, but I'm guessing not many.
I personally played two Genesis bases, and I saw at least 1 or two others in addition to Tim. Tim was unique defensively and it seems to be the difference.
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I personally played two Genesis bases, and I saw at least 1 or two others in addition to Tim. Tim was unique defensively and it seems to be the difference.
I personally played three Genesis offenses at Nats (without playing Tim's), and 2 of them had Emperors for defense. I don't think it was that uncommon really. Tim just played his well, and ran into the right opponent's while getting the right draws.
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Really? I must have poor observational talents. Either way, the difference was clearly the player and the opponents, and I'm sure, as always with good players, the draws being in Tim's favor as well.
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I put less stock into playing my deck well than in my ability to cheat and bribe without the officials noticing.
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Correct. The Hopper itself says it doesn't count as one of the required lost souls.
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Most decks should have 3-5 Panic Demons, Fallen Angel, and Strong Demon. Unless you're like this one guy I used to know whose parents dont allow him to use demons....
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IDK what decks you play, but demons are not a widely used strategy at all. Especially Panic Demons (though that might change soon)
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I think it's a little controversial that they just made a bunch of cards that punish you for multiple brigades, and now they're making a card that advocates it. :-\ Anyone else feeling this?
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I think it's a little controversial that they just made a bunch of cards that punish you for multiple brigades, and now they're making a card that advocates it. :-\ Anyone else feeling this?
They're just making a load of different strategies availible to use. Some may easily decimate others, but thats part of the game. Either hope you dont run into the opposing strategy, or think outside the box to bypass it.
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...Training in Righteousness and Helmet of Brass?
haha..... such a noob. ;) jk, I"ve come up with some REDICULOUS combos with Ehud. Also Moses. Play training, add green, prophet and a judge...... oh snap.
Don't forget he's also an NT Female Angel
Angels are genderless
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Not all of them.
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Angels are genderless
In reality, they probably are. But in Redemption, they are all considered male with the exceptions of Arianna and Kira.
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...who don't even count. ;)
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one combo i use is a.pole and simon the magician. great combo ;)
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IDK what decks you play, but demons are not a widely used strategy at all. Especially Panic Demons (though that might change soon)
I just started making a panic demon deck though it isn't complete. I'm gonna finish my egyptian deck first then work on that.
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Yay for necropost! I use garden tomb in every deck. :P
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seriously TGT ftw
i saw type 1 and type 2 TGT decks at NCstate definetly viable
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The real question isn't whether or not to use TGT. It's what will you be using with your TGT offense? :P
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I suspect TGT/Persian will be the most popular deck type at Natz. 8)
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No... I think popular will be standalone or sites, or babylonians. Being able to capture your opponent's humans with the two captures is nice. :)
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...who don't even count. ;)
are u kidding me? Arianna is an amazing hero basically because she has the greatest LS acsess of any hero. as well as her useful ability she packs a punch.
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Uh...not really. :-\
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yes. what other hero in silver brigade has access to all the hero limiting LS's. Kira, and her ability is virtually useless compared to Arianna. I personally think Arianna is a must have in most silver offenses. ;)
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:P
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She's in my silver deck. I always play her for the female lost soul. Other than that she is a good character to have. what is she a 8/7? Can't get better than that lol
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yes. what other hero in silver brigade has access to all the hero limiting LS's. Kira, and her ability is virtually useless compared to Arianna. I personally think Arianna is a must have in most silver offenses. ;)
>:( I use Kira! Kira at least has smaller abilities(*/*) so she gains inisititive faster 8)
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i say judges seat.
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Judge's Seat is not required in every deck. :P