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That PO deck was ridiculous.

Quote from: disciple_drew on January 12, 2011, 07:18:18 AM

I'm not exactly sure about some people's opinions concerning negates. My playgroup plays a lot of heavy control. So people use plenty of negates. As for combos, it's not the putting together of 2 or more cards that make it a "combo"; it's the combination of 2 or more cards that give you a big favor to either win the game to change the course of the game for you to win that makes it a combo. Otherwise people are just confusing combos with synergy. Cards that work well together is synergy, but cards that win you the game or favor you to win is a combo.

But as for negates, it's still highly used in the playgroup that I play in. I guess you can say they're a bunch of control freaks.

Any time you're playing a vanilla Negate, your deck either has more cards than it needs or you're using weaker Enhancements over stronger Enhancements. For example, Red has Holy Ground, but why use Holy Ground when you can use Council of Abigail, David's Triumph, or Centurion's Proclamation? White has a direct Negate, but why use that when you could use He Is Risen or Words of Encouragement? And the rest, and the rest...

I agree. There are reasons why just plain negates barely make it in decks now. Like pol said it takes up too much space. There are cards that do stuff that also negate, or interrupt.

FWIW, Combo Combo Combo Combo Congo!!!! was primarily Sauce's idea.

"Is there any way to protect HEROES from shuffle?"

At first, we were looking for protect abilities, but then Sauce switched to ignoring yourself. I found Eleazar's Sword. MJB also helped with the idea of being able to do it all in one turn, using ET + Unified Kingdom etc, which was based on James Roepke's and RDT's T1 combo which got ANB errata'd. I also built the deck around it (probably part of the reason it only won 1/3 of it's games) and piloted it. Sauce was a NOOB and wanted me to use a basic ANB deck with the combo in it (which was probably a better deck), whereas I used MJB's idea and went for the one turn win.

That PO deck was ridiculous.

Agreed.

Quote from: CJSports on January 12, 2011, 10:41:21 AM

I must give the best combo I've ever seen to you Ring Wraith. "Combo Combo Combo Congo." It automatically wins you the game and can be used in T1 and T2 and I'm glad you pulled it off against me because I didn't really care about winning and it was the most epic thing I ever saw in redemption.

Ah, man, I'm super dissapointed - You must not have been around for the origional win in one turn deck which involved multiple Primary Objectives being played in one turn

I'm trying to remember how that worked...what happened if they discarded their whole hand?

post them pls.

Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on July 05, 2010, 01:52:31 PM

I have a great idea, but I can't post it on the boards in fear of letting it out  .

Is there any way to protect HEROES from shuffle?

immunity. why?

Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on July 05, 2010, 02:35:19 PM

What hero is immune to shuffle....? It kind of needs to be a protect.
I just read ANB's errata today. I doubt it works, but it was worth a shot .

ANB's errata is: If making a rescue attempt, remove this card from the game to shuffle all cards in play, set aside areas, and hands into decks.  End the battle.  All players draw 8.  End the turn.  Begin a new turn.

Assume the thorns lost soul is out. If my hero is protected from shuffle, ANB will not shuffle it, so it will stay in battle. Then, the SA of ANB ends the battle. My hero will be in battle, but no EC. Doesn't that mean I rescue a soul? Then, we draw 8 and my turn ends. I can then begin a new turn, and do it again.

:O

I was thinking walking on water, but that's only evil cards. I don't think there's a way to protect it, but I'll look.

Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on July 05, 2010, 02:35:19 PM

What hero is immune to shuffle....? It kind of needs to be a protect.
I just read ANB's errata today. I doubt it works, but it was worth a shot .

ANB's errata is: If making a rescue attempt, remove this card from the game to shuffle all cards in play, set aside areas, and hands into decks.  End the battle.  All players draw 8.  End the turn.  Begin a new turn.

Assume the thorns lost soul is out. If my hero is protected from shuffle, ANB will not shuffle it, so it will stay in battle. Then, the SA of ANB ends the battle. My hero will be in battle, but no EC. Doesn't that mean I rescue a soul? Then, we draw 8 and my turn ends. I can then begin a new turn, and do it again.

found something. but it's not easy. Protection of Angels (from Warriors)

Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on July 05, 2010, 02:35:19 PM

What hero is immune to shuffle....? It kind of needs to be a protect.
I just read ANB's errata today. I doubt it works, but it was worth a shot .

ANB's errata is: If making a rescue attempt, remove this card from the game to shuffle all cards in play, set aside areas, and hands into decks.  End the battle.  All players draw 8.  End the turn.  Begin a new turn.

Assume the thorns lost soul is out. If my hero is protected from shuffle, ANB will not shuffle it, so it will stay in battle. Then, the SA of ANB ends the battle. My hero will be in battle, but no EC. Doesn't that mean I rescue a soul? Then, we draw 8 and my turn ends. I can then begin a new turn, and do it again.

not sure if my last message sent, but Protection of angels warriors works. not easily though

Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on July 05, 2010, 03:10:45 PM

The REG says that protects in territory. My hero in battle needs to be protected.

true. what if you banded it in?

Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on July 05, 2010, 03:15:25 PM

That wouldn't work. They're only protected while they're in the territory.

I was afraid of that. I'll keep looking. perhaps there's a noob card in Apostles or Pats...

Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on July 05, 2010, 03:24:40 PM

KING DAVID!!!!!!!!!!! Is "may not be blocked by any member of a royal family" the same as "ignores members of a royal family?". The REG doesn't say you can't ignore yourself, so does King Davie ignore himself?

there's an easier way. Eleazar's Sword on Fallen Warrior. or Faith of David on a giant.

Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on July 05, 2010, 03:28:15 PM

Oh man. I really really really think that works. I'm worried about one thing though:

Does ANB have to complete before battle resolution takes place? ANB's SA ends your turn.

I'll ask in a subtle way. it should be just like forgotten history.

There are more, but I'm out of space. Some parts deleted for space issues.

What was the PO one turn combo?

Negates can be powerful in a playgroup where everyone doesn't have every card ever.

For example, Red has Holy Ground, but why use Holy Ground when you can use Council of Abigail, David's Triumph, or Centurion's Proclamation? White has a direct Negate, but why use that when you could use He Is Risen or Words of Encouragement? And the rest, and the rest...

Mainly because one doesn't have those cards.  I'm still missing plenty of cards from my collection.

That doesn't work now?

On the negate topic:

To expand a little on what others said, you used to include cards that did something like band or a battle winner and negates to help play them.  So you would include cards like Reach and Words to interrupt and pair that with something to win the battle.  It is inherently better if a card does both or more not only because 1 card does the work of 2 but you also need initiative to play a battle winner after playing cards like Beneaianaieaeh Snatches a Spear.  So cards like Zeal for the Lord, Two Bears, My Lord and My God?, He is Risen, Centurions Proclamation?, Striking Herod?, etc. are just better. 

I made a deck based on using as many of these as possible.  There is a little bit of a challenge with multiple brigades but it is pretty strong.