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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Deck Building & Design => Topic started by: thestrongangel on October 06, 2009, 06:42:46 PM
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Went looking through some things earlier today, and was just wondering something. Is it just me, or does Brown on the defense seem completely impotent?
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Brown has four of the best evil enhancements in the game:
Haman's Plot (CBN)
Korah's Rebellion
G-Trickery (CBN)
Dungeon of Mal (CBN on King Z)
Plus, the best of the site lockout cards.
Also, some pretty good characters:
Uzzah
Ammy's Slave
King Z
Haman
Lying Spirit
Gomer (TxP)
Idolaters
Covenant Breakers
The Jeering Youths
The recursion characters
Plus, the Protection Fort from Regionals protects some of them.
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Brown has four of the best evil enhancements in the game:
Haman's Plot (CBN)
Korah's Rebellion (CBN)
G-Trickery
Dungeon of Mal (CBN on King Z)
Plus, the best of the site lockout cards.
Also, some pretty good characters:
Uzzah
Ammy's Slave
King Z
Haman (and with Zeresh and Weakness, it's super scary)
Unclean Spirit
Gomer (TxP)
Idolaters
Covenant Breakers (why are these guys good?)
The Jeering Youths
King Nadab (with King Jeroboam I)
Plus, the Protection Fort from Regionals protects some of them.
Brown is basically awesome in Type 2. Weakness them and you get unlimited inish.
I edited somethings in that post as well.
anyway, in T2. 5 HP's. 5 Gib's Tricks. 5 Dungeons. 2-3 Weaknesses. 2 Plauged with Diseases. 5 Uzzahs. 2 Hamans. 1 Zeresh. 2 Gomers. 3 King Zeds. maybe a King Nadab with his partner... an Ammy slave... you're looking at a pretty sick deck. I realize it needs more evil characters. I was just improving.
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Wait... Korah's Rebellion isn't CBN, is it?
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brown has HP haman g trirckey and other stuff.
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Brown is the Joe Mauer of Redemption. Crazy good and underrated (I've seen a lot more brown as of late, but I still haven't seen much).
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Oops, G-Trick is CBN, not Korah's Rebellion.
Also, Covenant Breakers is great is they attack with BTN (especially with Gomer), or if they're using a Covenant to get around site access.
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LOLOLOLOLOL!!
I rarely play anything BUT brown. I've always liked grey (and now with orange), but Brown is by far my favorite defensive brigade. Ask anyone who has played me. :D
It doesn't have as many outright WOW cards, but overall, I feel it works together the strongest of any brigade, especially the Site Lockout theme.
I see you have AIM, send me a message if you get a chance, and I'll explain how brown is not weak. :)
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Went looking through some things earlier today, and was just wondering something. Is it just me, or does Brown on the defense seem completely impotent?
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I cannot sit back while this Wickedness Abounds. (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/LinkedDocuments/Wickedness%20Abounds%20(Pi).gif) At the risk of provoking my Brother's Envy (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/LinkedDocuments/Brothers'%20Envy%20(Pa).gif) I will make this Preemptive Strike (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/LinkedDocuments/Preemptive%20Strike%20(H).gif) to expose their Useless Tactics. (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/LinkedDocuments/Useless%20Tactics%20(Ki).gif)
I hope my words have not Wounded (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/LinkedDocuments/Wounded%20(AW).gif) my brothers or cause Divisions (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/LinkedDocuments/Divisions%20(Ap).gif) among us, but I must end this Cruelty (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/LinkedDocuments/Cruelty%20(UL).gif) and agree with you that Brown is the Weakness (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/LinkedDocuments/Weakness%20(AW).gif) of Redemption defenses everwhere.
I'll Retreat (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/LinkedDocuments/Retreat%20(AW).gif) to my corner now.
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Brown is the new Black?
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Went looking through some things earlier today, and was just wondering something. Is it just me, or does Brown on the defense seem completely impotent?
It would be a Bad Decision (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/LinkedDocuments/Bad%20Decision%20(Pa).gif) on your part to listen to these Lewd Men. (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/LinkedDocuments/Lewd%20Men%20(E).gif) They spread Seeds of Rebellion (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/LinkedDocuments/Seeds%20of%20Rebellion%20(AW).gif) based completely on Ignorance (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/LinkedDocuments/Ignorance%20(Pr).gif) and Jealousy. (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/LinkedDocuments/Jealousy%20(Ap).gif) Honestly, it makes me Sick Unto Death! (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/LinkedDocuments/Sick%20Unto%20Death%20(E).gif)
Is it their Intent to Trap (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/LinkedDocuments/Intent%20to%20Trap%20(E).gif) you with Self-Doubt? (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/LinkedDocuments/Self-Doubt%20(H).gif) I smell Treachery Afoot! (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/LinkedDocuments/Treachery%20Afoot%20(Pa).gif) It must be their Rebellious (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/LinkedDocuments/Rebellious%20(AW).gif) nature.
I cannot sit back while this Wickedness Abounds. (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/LinkedDocuments/Wickedness%20Abounds%20(Pi).gif) At the risk of provoking my Brother's Envy (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/LinkedDocuments/Brothers'%20Envy%20(Pa).gif) I will make this Preemptive Strike (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/LinkedDocuments/Preemptive%20Strike%20(H).gif) to expose their Useless Tactics. (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/LinkedDocuments/Useless%20Tactics%20(Ki).gif)
I hope my words have not Wounded (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/LinkedDocuments/Wounded%20(AW).gif) my brothers or cause Divisions (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/LinkedDocuments/Divisions%20(Ap).gif) among us, but I must end this Cruelty (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/LinkedDocuments/Cruelty%20(UL).gif) and agree with you that Brown is the Weakness (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/LinkedDocuments/Weakness%20(AW).gif) of Redemption defenses everwhere.
I'll Retreat (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/LinkedDocuments/Retreat%20(AW).gif) to my corner now.
You just won a million internets.
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Brown is the new Black?
Black is epic what you talking about? See Brown is the new Orange ::)
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Let me clarify a couple things in my asking:
First, I refuse to play Haman's Plot on principle. Any card that I have to destroy and replace is out of the question for any deck I play. Secondly, I exclusively play type 1.
That being said, I am just trying to get a sense of brown's capabilities.
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Let me clarify a couple things in my asking:
First, I refuse to play Haman's Plot on principle. Any card that I have to destroy and replace is out of the question for any deck I play. Secondly, I exclusively play type 1.
That being said, I am just trying to get a sense of brown's capabilities.
Get on AIM, and I'll give you a tour of Brown. ;)
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Brown is said by some (Lambo and...me...at least...) to be the most powerful brigade in many respects.
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Went looking through some things earlier today, and was just wondering something. Is it just me, or does Brown on the defense seem completely impotent?
It would be a Bad Decision (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/LinkedDocuments/Bad%20Decision%20(Pa).gif) on your part to listen to these Lewd Men. (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/LinkedDocuments/Lewd%20Men%20(E).gif) They spread Seeds of Rebellion (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/LinkedDocuments/Seeds%20of%20Rebellion%20(AW).gif) based completely on Ignorance (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/LinkedDocuments/Ignorance%20(Pr).gif) and Jealousy. (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/LinkedDocuments/Jealousy%20(Ap).gif) Honestly, it makes me Sick Unto Death! (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/LinkedDocuments/Sick%20Unto%20Death%20(E).gif)
Is it their Intent to Trap (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/LinkedDocuments/Intent%20to%20Trap%20(E).gif) you with Self-Doubt? (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/LinkedDocuments/Self-Doubt%20(H).gif) I smell Treachery Afoot! (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/LinkedDocuments/Treachery%20Afoot%20(Pa).gif) It must be their Rebellious (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/LinkedDocuments/Rebellious%20(AW).gif) nature.
I cannot sit back while this Wickedness Abounds. (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/LinkedDocuments/Wickedness%20Abounds%20(Pi).gif) At the risk of provoking my Brother's Envy (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/LinkedDocuments/Brothers'%20Envy%20(Pa).gif) I will make this Preemptive Strike (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/LinkedDocuments/Preemptive%20Strike%20(H).gif) to expose their Useless Tactics. (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/LinkedDocuments/Useless%20Tactics%20(Ki).gif)
I hope my words have not Wounded (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/LinkedDocuments/Wounded%20(AW).gif) my brothers or cause Divisions (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/LinkedDocuments/Divisions%20(Ap).gif) among us, but I must end this Cruelty (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/LinkedDocuments/Cruelty%20(UL).gif) and agree with you that Brown is the Weakness (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/LinkedDocuments/Weakness%20(AW).gif) of Redemption defenses everwhere.
I'll Retreat (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/LinkedDocuments/Retreat%20(AW).gif) to my corner now.
Hahaha..... nice. But you only quoted the crappy cards.... ;D ;D ;D
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I love, love, love brown. It is the best overall defense IMO, has the best suicide guy, AND it is the best at site lockout. What isn't there to love?
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Let me clarify a couple things in my asking:
First, I refuse to play Haman's Plot on principle. Any card that I have to destroy and replace is out of the question for any deck I play. Secondly, I exclusively play type 1.
That being said, I am just trying to get a sense of brown's capabilities.
I've used Brown for T1 2P for years (including Haman's Plot), but the beauty of it is that I don't always need Haman's Plot. Brown basically has enough cards to build a T1 defense where every card is either CBN or a negate/interrupt.
My defense:
8 Brown ECs + King of Tyrus
Haman's Plot
Gibeonite Trickery
Dungeon of Malchiah
Shimei's Malicious Curse
Korah's Rebellion
Stiff-Necked
Image of Jealousy (TexP addition obviously)
That defense has won more T1 games for me than any defense I've ever used in T1, and that's not even using some of the more elaborate combos that Lambo uses with Brown or the many options for Site lockout.
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Let me clarify a couple things in my asking:
First, I refuse to play Haman's Plot on principle. Any card that I have to destroy and replace is out of the question for any deck I play. Secondly, I exclusively play type 1.
That being said, I am just trying to get a sense of brown's capabilities.
Get on AIM, and I'll give you a tour of Brown. ;)
Hey, I have been meaning to stretch my legs on RTS, so give me a day or so to let things calm down, then you have a date, princess.
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I just meant to discuss it on AIM, rather than play. I don't know when I'll be able to play a game, since I'm crammed with school projects. Trust me, I want to, but I don't know if I have the time for it. I'll see. ;)
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I'd like to take you up on that conversation too, since I consistently fail to see how Brown is anything but the worst defensive Brigade.
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Little late tonight, but mabye tomorrow I can chat about the power of brown.
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Here's a little taste of what I did to some one with brown:
Thought you might enjoy what happened in my last game with my site-lock deck:
My opponent has only one LS in play and it's in a green site (which I can't get to). This is where the fun begins
I go in with Ehud (chose a male blocker in oppnent's territory). I chose a high number guy (don't remember who). I then play Sword Vs. Sword and bring in King Zedekiah for a side battle. I then play Taking Naboth's Vineyard to make it a rescue attempt. Now here's the fun part. I already had most of my sites out and was having a LS drought (luckly, we both were so the game wasn't as one sided as it could have been). After taking his site (which freed up another site), I played Desolate Gateways and knocked off all but one of his heroes. I then played Lacking sleep on myself (the tactic to get a judge down to 1/1 and put him in the seat). Still my inish so.....I played Dungeon of Malchiah to get rid of his lone hero and then played Korah's Rebellion to end the side battle.
When the fun was over, he had no heroes and no one to block my rescue attempt.
Hows that for some fun with brown
Also another powerful combo....COM+Siege+Kor Reb = BOOM!!!
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Also another powerful combo....COM+Siege+Kor Reb = BOOM!!!
I prefer A Pole. I guess CoM is better in general for brown, since it has so many negates and CBN. and a CBN Negate! I love those! they actually win alot of battles...
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Also another powerful combo....COM+Siege+Kor Reb = BOOM!!!
I prefer A Pole. I guess CoM is better in general for brown, since it has so many negates and CBN. and a CBN Negate! I love those! they actually win alot of battles...
Confusion Of Mind is there so when you play siege, you don't get nailed by all of the heroes abilities.
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brown is probably the most powerful brigade right now.
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Also another powerful combo....COM+Siege+Kor Reb = BOOM!!!
I prefer A Pole. I guess CoM is better in general for brown, since it has so many negates and CBN. and a CBN Negate! I love those! they actually win alot of battles...
Confusion Of Mind is there so when you play siege, you don't get nailed by all of the heroes abilities.
ahh. makes sense. I was just thinking, if they try to negate...
honestly though... I don't think it'd make too much of a difference. you interrupt all of their abilities with Korah's Rebellion.
brown is probably the most powerful brigade right now.
agreed. and it can be used in a number of different strats. but it isn't good as a large defense.
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but it isn't good as a large defense.
O RLY? This has been by far my most successful defense, and its monstrous. Typically, if I loose with this deck, it's only after we have both decked. However, it's pretty capable of shutting out opponents entirely. I figured enough people have seen it that I can just post this defense now. This is my most recient rendition of it:
Cards in deck: 44
Lost Souls: 8
Lost Soul (*/4)
Lost Soul (Color Guard)
Lost Soul (deck discard)
Lost Soul (Female Only)
Lost Soul (N.T. only)
Lost Soul (Site Discard)
Lost Soul (site doubler)
Lost Soul (Wanderer)
Grim Reaper Dominants: 4
Burial
Christian Martyr
Destruction of Nehushtan
Falling Away
Fortresses: 1
High Places
Red Sites: 4
Babylon
Babylon
Babylon
Babylon
Gold Sites: 1
Kir
Green Sites: 1
Babylonian Banquet Hall
Blue Sites: 1
Hormah
Purple Sites: 1
Pergamum
White Covenant Cards: 2
Plagued with Diseases (Brown)
Wastelands (Orange)
Brown Evil Characters: 8
Complainers
Foul Spirit
Gomer
Idolaters
King Jeroboam I
King Nadab
King Zedekiah
Morgan
Orange Evil Characters: 1
King of Tyrus
Multi-Color Evil Enhancements: 1
Destructive Sin (Orange)
Brown Evil Enhancements: 11
Desolate Gateways
Dungeon of Malchiah
Face of Death
Gibeonite Trickery
Image of Jealousy
Korah's Rebellion
Land Purchase
Stiff-Necked
Taking Naboth's Vineyard
Threatened Lives
Weakness
KoT + DS was a new addition I've been trying.
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brown is probably the most powerful brigade right now.
No... black. And now the new set gave black the only thing it didn't have over brown: site lock power.
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No... black. And now the new set gave black the only thing it didn't have over brown: site lock power.
...And it still doesnt beat brown in terms of site lock power.
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It doesn't? It now has two site stealers - one being TC pwnage - and a guy to recur them. Brown has one site stealer, one site searcher, and a recursion guy, which is nice, but it isn't much better IMO.
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I also consider that black has an art killer and TONS of fbtn. I find this to be the most effective against site lock.
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Tons of FbtN? What Black are you playing with?
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Brown has the following that are useful in sitelock:
Complainers
Foul Spirit
King Omri
King Nadab
Taking Naboths Vineyard
Threatened Lives + High Places
Land Purchase
Graven
Desolate Gateways
Bad Decision
Jealousy
Crucify Him
Demonic Blockade
Korahs Rebellion
Plus you can throw in other cards like Wastelands, Captured Ark, etc.
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Demon in Armor, foolish advice, Bringing Fear, Devourer, Denying Blame, The twelve fingered giant.
I use purple sites, so yes, demon in armor is good.
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Oh, you mean Negates. Yeah, Black has a ton of that.
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Yeah, sorry enhancements that say "fbtn" or negate stuff. lol Yeah they don't actually have a foul spirit type character.
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For negates brown has...
Stiff Necked
Foul Spirit
Complainers
Broken Cisterns (negates drawing)
Wasting Disease
Shim's Malcious Curse
Mask of Arrogance
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For negates brown has...
Stiff Necked
Foul Spirit
Complainers
Broken Cisterns (negates drawing)
Wasting Disease
Shim's Malcious Curse
Mask of Arrogance
Come one... these aren't realistically used as "negate" cards. The other are legit though. And I prefer black's cbn negate card. I can't even say how much I love Bringing Fear, because YOU can still play enhancements.
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Wasting Disease is as much of a negate as Demon in Armor is, since it prevents a LOT of common cards.
ITB, Draw, Play next's
Jacob
ET
and many more, i just dont feel like searching. :D
Broken Cisterns is a good anti-speed negate though.
*EDIT* curiosity got me:
ET
Reach
Words
Angels Sword
Helmet of Brass
Throne of David
Barak
Spear and Shield
Jacob
Joidia
Jordan Interrupted
Tears for a Friend
Book of Hozai
Breastplate of Righteousness
Faith of David
Undefiled
Swift Beings
Answer to Prayer (on a non-genesis)
Renewing the Covenant (i think?)
I think thats all of them
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black is weak.
and brown is still better in sites. Threatened Lives on High Places? that's just awesome. it may be 2 cards, but if you can sink a BBH to the bottom... it'd definitely would be worth it.
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Site Decks are weak. :-X
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black is weak.
and brown is still better in sites. Threatened Lives on High Places? that's just awesome. it may be 2 cards, but if you can sink a BBH to the bottom... it'd definitely would be worth it.
Right.... because taking a site in territory with daanites attack and high places isn't good, huh? ;)
Lambo... I know WHAT it does... I'm just saying that realistically, that card would never go into my deck.
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black is weak.
and brown is still better in sites. Threatened Lives on High Places? that's just awesome. it may be 2 cards, but if you can sink a BBH to the bottom... it'd definitely would be worth it.
Right.... because taking a site in territory with daanites attack and high places isn't good, huh? ;)
Lambo... I know WHAT it does... I'm just saying that realistically, that card would never go into my deck.
Taking Naboth's Vineyard does just that. and it can be recurred just like the King Amon/Manassah stuff. and TNV is CBN if played on an Israelite King. so in battle or out, it does just fine. it's also nice when you they have access by brigade to use on Foul Spirit
and obviously you haven't played T2 enough. Wasting Disease is a VERY good card to have, as it totally kills most Blue and Purple.
Site Decks are weak. :-X
:D :D :D
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No... I never play type II. I only play Type I. ;D So I'm speaking in terms of a type I deck.
Black has two site killers, land dispute and danites attack.
Brown has one site killer and a site burier, and the killer, TNV, cannot be played with High Places. It doesn't say place.
that's why I think that black is much better. Not including the most epic battle-winning enhancements ever.
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You never play Type 2? Who was that guy in MP at CA state?
I think black is the more versatile brigade, and possibly even the better (though always weaker) brigade as a whole, but brown works far better for site lockout, simply because it can manipulate the sites in your LoB. Brown also has good CBN options if they're playing BTN, while black has issues since it works the opposite way.
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Whatever... ::) ::) ::)
And that's a separate issue. Site Lock, and making good cool uses of your sites is another. I think Black is a much better site lock. However, brown has cool cards like desolate gateways, so in that way they're better with sites. But not better in site LOCK.
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Grey is the ultimate site lock color. just saying.
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Grey is the ultimate site lock color. just saying.
Thanks Kanye.
"Brown's great and all, and I'ma let you finish, but gray is the ultimate site lock color of all time."