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Re: Mark sleeves for Reserve?
« Reply #25 on: March 19, 2018, 12:47:29 PM »
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This is kinda a question and not meant to anger anyone. I agree with the making a list to what cards are in your reserve pile. Instead of putting a sticker on the card sleeve, could you choose a different color card sleeve instead as a way to tell your deck apart from your reserve pile or would that be considered a no-no?

Unfortunately cards from Reserve can hit the deck, at which point it can't truly be randomized.
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Re: Mark sleeves for Reserve?
« Reply #26 on: March 19, 2018, 01:13:00 PM »
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This is kinda a question and not meant to anger anyone. I agree with the making a list to what cards are in your reserve pile. Instead of putting a sticker on the card sleeve, could you choose a different color card sleeve instead as a way to tell your deck apart from your reserve pile or would that be considered a no-no?

Unfortunately cards from Reserve can hit the deck, at which point it can't truly be randomized.
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The only point to any of this is to avoid "marked" cards  (marked defined broadly to mean providing additional information to help identify a undisplayed card). Is that a correct statement?

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Re: Mark sleeves for Reserve?
« Reply #27 on: March 19, 2018, 01:19:39 PM »
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For the most part. There's also the deck check, and between rounds spot check aspect. We did have a player penalized at Nationals for failing to return his reserve to the correct cards between rounds
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Re: Mark sleeves for Reserve?
« Reply #28 on: March 19, 2018, 01:25:47 PM »
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For the most part. There's also the deck check, and between rounds spot check aspect. We did have a player penalized at Nationals for failing to return his reserve to the correct cards between rounds
OK.  Just wanting to make sure I wasn't missing something.

I can say as a player, if I brought a deck to a tournament and a host told me I couldn't play it because I denoted my reserve cards by adding a R in permanent marker on the front of a sleeve or had a sticker in the sandwich of a double sleeved deck, I would be a bit miffed.

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Re: Mark sleeves for Reserve?
« Reply #29 on: March 19, 2018, 01:34:11 PM »
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For the most part. There's also the deck check, and between rounds spot check aspect. We did have a player penalized at Nationals for failing to return his reserve to the correct cards between rounds
OK.  Just wanting to make sure I wasn't missing something.

I can say as a player, if I brought a deck to a tournament and a host told me I couldn't play it because I denoted my reserve cards by adding a R in permanent marker on the front of a sleeve or had a sticker in the sandwich of a double sleeved deck, I would be a bit miffed.

As a host, if a player brought marked Reserve cards to my tournament, the way I would decide if it were acceptable would be to shuffle the deck and Reserve in question together and if I can identify the Reserve cards while the deck is face down, I would ask them to remove the mark. In the case of the two examples you gave, I would almost certainly be able to feel a sticker inside the sleeves but likely have no way to detect a written R, so I would allow the latter but not the former.

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Re: Mark sleeves for Reserve?
« Reply #30 on: March 19, 2018, 01:45:09 PM »
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+1 as long as the Reserve list also accompanied the deck. However, it is up to the host's judgement on whether the cards are distinguishable or not, and even if I felt my marking system made them indistinguishable, if the host disagreed then I would abide by that. 
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Re: Mark sleeves for Reserve?
« Reply #31 on: March 19, 2018, 02:59:17 PM »
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I wouldn’t care either if it was written with a permanent marker on the face of the sleeve. The sticker is the issue imo. I tried it early on in casual play and it was more of a problem than a help. In any case, if you know your deck/Reserve well enough (which you should if you’re bringing that deck to a tournament) only a list is really necessary.
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Re: Mark sleeves for Reserve?
« Reply #32 on: April 25, 2018, 09:27:18 AM »
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The idea of "marking" cards with a sticker or with a sharpie could be a bad precedent.

Sticker: speaking from a person who does illusions with cards, you can do some pretty narly deck manipulation with something like that!

Double sleeving + sharpie: less evasive, but banned in other card tournaments due to the fact that you can make a marking that can now reflect off the backs of the sleeves underneath more clearly.

People will always find a way to cheat if they really want to, but I would imagine a consistent approach that is clear is better overall: Don't mark cards.
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Re: Mark sleeves for Reserve?
« Reply #33 on: April 27, 2018, 07:55:59 AM »
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Question: for the reserve. Aren't you supposed to have a cheat sheet/write down what you have in your reserve? Can you keep the cheat sheet (need a better term for this) on your person?
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Re: Mark sleeves for Reserve?
« Reply #34 on: April 27, 2018, 09:19:12 AM »
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Question: for the reserve. Aren't you supposed to have a cheat sheet/write down what you have in your reserve? Can you keep the cheat sheet (need a better term for this) on your person?
Yes you are required to have a written reserve list, and yes you can keep the reserve list with you.

The original question was asking if there was some easier and less error prone method--in the heat of switching rounds--to identify and separate reserve and primary deck cards.

 


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