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Offline Red Dragon Thorn

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Re: Mark sleeves for Reserve?
« Reply #25 on: March 19, 2018, 12:47:29 PM »
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Quote from: Sadness on March 19, 2018, 12:45:10 PM
This is kinda a question and not meant to anger anyone. I agree with the making a list to what cards are in your reserve pile. Instead of putting a sticker on the card sleeve, could you choose a different color card sleeve instead as a way to tell your deck apart from your reserve pile or would that be considered a no-no?

Unfortunately cards from Reserve can hit the deck, at which point it can't truly be randomized.
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Re: Mark sleeves for Reserve?
« Reply #26 on: March 19, 2018, 01:13:00 PM »
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Quote from: Red Dragon Thorn on March 19, 2018, 12:47:29 PM
Quote from: Sadness on March 19, 2018, 12:45:10 PM
This is kinda a question and not meant to anger anyone. I agree with the making a list to what cards are in your reserve pile. Instead of putting a sticker on the card sleeve, could you choose a different color card sleeve instead as a way to tell your deck apart from your reserve pile or would that be considered a no-no?

Unfortunately cards from Reserve can hit the deck, at which point it can't truly be randomized.
Question for the Elders...

The only point to any of this is to avoid "marked" cards  (marked defined broadly to mean providing additional information to help identify a undisplayed card). Is that a correct statement?
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Re: Mark sleeves for Reserve?
« Reply #27 on: March 19, 2018, 01:19:39 PM »
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For the most part. There's also the deck check, and between rounds spot check aspect. We did have a player penalized at Nationals for failing to return his reserve to the correct cards between rounds
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Re: Mark sleeves for Reserve?
« Reply #28 on: March 19, 2018, 01:25:47 PM »
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Quote from: Red Dragon Thorn on March 19, 2018, 01:19:39 PM
For the most part. There's also the deck check, and between rounds spot check aspect. We did have a player penalized at Nationals for failing to return his reserve to the correct cards between rounds
OK.  Just wanting to make sure I wasn't missing something.

I can say as a player, if I brought a deck to a tournament and a host told me I couldn't play it because I denoted my reserve cards by adding a R in permanent marker on the front of a sleeve or had a sticker in the sandwich of a double sleeved deck, I would be a bit miffed.
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Re: Mark sleeves for Reserve?
« Reply #29 on: March 19, 2018, 01:34:11 PM »
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Quote from: EmJayBee83 on March 19, 2018, 01:25:47 PM
Quote from: Red Dragon Thorn on March 19, 2018, 01:19:39 PM
For the most part. There's also the deck check, and between rounds spot check aspect. We did have a player penalized at Nationals for failing to return his reserve to the correct cards between rounds
OK.  Just wanting to make sure I wasn't missing something.

I can say as a player, if I brought a deck to a tournament and a host told me I couldn't play it because I denoted my reserve cards by adding a R in permanent marker on the front of a sleeve or had a sticker in the sandwich of a double sleeved deck, I would be a bit miffed.

As a host, if a player brought marked Reserve cards to my tournament, the way I would decide if it were acceptable would be to shuffle the deck and Reserve in question together and if I can identify the Reserve cards while the deck is face down, I would ask them to remove the mark. In the case of the two examples you gave, I would almost certainly be able to feel a sticker inside the sleeves but likely have no way to detect a written R, so I would allow the latter but not the former.
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Re: Mark sleeves for Reserve?
« Reply #30 on: March 19, 2018, 01:45:09 PM »
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+1 as long as the Reserve list also accompanied the deck. However, it is up to the host's judgement on whether the cards are distinguishable or not, and even if I felt my marking system made them indistinguishable, if the host disagreed then I would abide by that. 
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Re: Mark sleeves for Reserve?
« Reply #31 on: March 19, 2018, 02:59:17 PM »
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I wouldn’t care either if it was written with a permanent marker on the face of the sleeve. The sticker is the issue imo. I tried it early on in casual play and it was more of a problem than a help. In any case, if you know your deck/Reserve well enough (which you should if you’re bringing that deck to a tournament) only a list is really necessary.
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Re: Mark sleeves for Reserve?
« Reply #32 on: April 25, 2018, 09:27:18 AM »
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The idea of "marking" cards with a sticker or with a sharpie could be a bad precedent.

Sticker: speaking from a person who does illusions with cards, you can do some pretty narly deck manipulation with something like that!

Double sleeving + sharpie: less evasive, but banned in other card tournaments due to the fact that you can make a marking that can now reflect off the backs of the sleeves underneath more clearly.

People will always find a way to cheat if they really want to, but I would imagine a consistent approach that is clear is better overall: Don't mark cards.
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Re: Mark sleeves for Reserve?
« Reply #33 on: April 27, 2018, 07:55:59 AM »
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Question: for the reserve. Aren't you supposed to have a cheat sheet/write down what you have in your reserve? Can you keep the cheat sheet (need a better term for this) on your person?
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Re: Mark sleeves for Reserve?
« Reply #34 on: April 27, 2018, 09:19:12 AM »
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Quote from: Sadness on April 27, 2018, 07:55:59 AM
Question: for the reserve. Aren't you supposed to have a cheat sheet/write down what you have in your reserve? Can you keep the cheat sheet (need a better term for this) on your person?
Yes you are required to have a written reserve list, and yes you can keep the reserve list with you.

The original question was asking if there was some easier and less error prone method--in the heat of switching rounds--to identify and separate reserve and primary deck cards.
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