Author Topic: Mark sleeves for Reserve? (Read 8160 times)

emonier · « **on:** March 16, 2018, 09:53:24 AM »

QUESTION:

I know that Reserve cards have to have the same sleeve color as the rest of the deck (so that they blend in after you retrieve them and add them to your deck).

But, how do you distinguish them after the game ends, when you have to separate them out to get ready for the next game?

I have been putting a little sticker on the front of the card with an "R" on it, but I was told in the last tournament that this was illegal (even though you can't see the sticker when they are face down).

Are there are any other good solutions? If not, it would seem that it would be hard to find all the reserve cards and pull them between games.

Thank you,

ELM

EmJayBee83 · « **Reply #1 on:** March 16, 2018, 09:59:53 AM »

Quote from: emonier on March 16, 2018, 09:53:24 AM

I have been putting a little sticker on the front of the card with an "R" on it, but I was told in the last tournament that this was illegal (even though you can't see the sticker when they are face down).

What was the the reason behind the ruling that it was illegal?

emonier · « **Reply #2 on:** March 16, 2018, 10:10:30 AM »

Not sure -- ask Watchman492.

The Guardian · « **Reply #3 on:** March 16, 2018, 10:14:46 AM »

Spoiler (hover to show)

You are supposed to have a list of the cards in your Reserve that gets checked in with your deck. That way you can easily remember all the cards you started with in the Reserve after each round.

Edit* Sorry the image is so large--it's set to print size.

emonier · « **Reply #4 on:** March 16, 2018, 10:26:19 AM »

Thanks,

Yeah, I knew about the list, but I still think it would be easier to mark them in some way so you can pull them easier (with a quick visual scan).

Jeremystair · « **Reply #5 on:** March 16, 2018, 10:51:50 AM »

Here is the original post that it was asked and told that we weren't allowed to do it. But hey Eric someone else made a good point they put the card in upside down on all the cards in the reserve I think that's a pretty good idea as well.

http://www.cactusforums.com/redemption-tournaments/the-reserve-39223/msg573358/#msg573358

EmJayBee83 · « **Reply #6 on:** March 16, 2018, 11:16:30 AM »

So, this may be a stupid question, but why don't you simply take a permanent Sharpie^(tm) and write a letter R on the outside front of your "reserve" sleeves?

Watchman · « **Reply #7 on:** March 16, 2018, 11:38:18 AM »

Or why not just have a list of the cards in your reserve as required by the rules and put all cards back into the appropriate place after the game ends? I know what cards are in my reserve and what aren’t.

emonier · « **Reply #8 on:** March 16, 2018, 11:59:22 AM »

Quote from: Watchman492 on March 16, 2018, 11:38:18 AM

Or why not just have a list of the cards in your reserve as required by the rules and put all cards back into the appropriate place after the game ends? I know what cards are in my reserve and what aren’t.

Yes, but it still takes longer to go through and find them all.

I like the magic marker idea -- a little "R" on the bottom right corner?

Would that be legal?

Thanks,

E

Watchman · « **Reply #9 on:** March 16, 2018, 12:06:15 PM »

Quote from: emonier on March 16, 2018, 11:59:22 AM

Quote from: Watchman492 on March 16, 2018, 11:38:18 AM
Or why not just have a list of the cards in your reserve as required by the rules and put all cards back into the appropriate place after the game ends? I know what cards are in my reserve and what aren’t.

Yes, but it still takes longer to go through and find them all.

I like the magic marker idea -- a little "R" on the bottom right corner?

Would that be legal?

Thanks,

E

But it would take just as long to find the marked sleeves as it does to find the ones you know go in the reserve...

Jeremystair · « **Reply #10 on:** March 16, 2018, 12:20:12 PM »

That's only true if you memorize the cards in your reserve. Apparently me and Eric don't do that because I'm constantly making adjustments to my deck. Marking the sleeves is a great idea.

The Guardian · « **Reply #11 on:** March 16, 2018, 12:29:52 PM »

Or if you have a list in front of you...

In any case, the general principle is that you cannot alter the sleeves in such a way that they could be distinguished (whether by sight or touch) when you are shuffling the deck.

Jeremystair · « **Reply #12 on:** March 16, 2018, 12:33:37 PM »

I will always be able to find the cards faster with a sticker in the inside or the outside of the sleeve way faster than anyone can find it with a list.

At Nationals I double sleeved my cards and the inside sleeve had a sticker on it and none of the judges who checked in my decks had a problem with it.

emonier · « **Reply #13 on:** March 18, 2018, 06:05:04 PM »

Quote from: Jeremystair on March 16, 2018, 12:33:37 PM

At Nationals I double sleeved my cards and the inside sleeve had a sticker on it and none of the judges who checked in my decks had a problem with it.

Great idea!

Did you use a thin, clear sleeve (the kind you get inside of packs) for the inner sleeve?

It seems like that would fit better inside the main sleeve.

Thanks,

E

P.S. Watchman: will this be legal at your tournament next Sat?

Watchman · « **Reply #14 on:** March 18, 2018, 06:49:17 PM »

Quote from: emonier on March 18, 2018, 06:05:04 PM

Quote from: Jeremystair on March 16, 2018, 12:33:37 PM
At Nationals I double sleeved my cards and the inside sleeve had a sticker on it and none of the judges who checked in my decks had a problem with it.

Great idea!

Did you use a thin, clear sleeve (the kind you get inside of packs) for the inner sleeve?

It seems like that would fit better inside the main sleeve.

Thanks,

E

P.S. Watchman: will this be legal at your tournament next Sat?

Since it’s an official tournament the only permitted way of what’s knowing what’s in your reserve is what the Reserve rules say is permissible, which is a list of what’s in your reserve.

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #15 on:** March 18, 2018, 07:07:37 PM »

Quote from: Watchman492 on March 18, 2018, 06:49:17 PM

Quote from: emonier on March 18, 2018, 06:05:04 PM
Quote from: Jeremystair on March 16, 2018, 12:33:37 PM
At Nationals I double sleeved my cards and the inside sleeve had a sticker on it and none of the judges who checked in my decks had a problem with it.

Great idea!

Did you use a thin, clear sleeve (the kind you get inside of packs) for the inner sleeve?

It seems like that would fit better inside the main sleeve.

Thanks,

E

P.S. Watchman: will this be legal at your tournament next Sat?

Since it’s an official tournament the only permitted way of what’s knowing what’s in your reserve is what the Reserve rules say is permissible, which is a list of what’s in your reserve.

I don't think there's any need to be legalistic over it. As long as it's not distinguishable from the other cards in the deck I'd allow it.

That being said, a list is still required on paper for deck check

The Guardian · « **Reply #16 on:** March 18, 2018, 07:23:49 PM »

There will always be things that are not quite spelled out to the letter in the tournament guide. While we have tried not to have anything in there that is open to interpretation, we obviously can't cover every specific question.

When there is a question like this, the host is simply expected to use their best judgement and players should abide by it. If a player is concerned that a tournament host at a different tournament might rule differently, they should do their best to contact the host beforehand (just like has been done here).

Jeremystair · « **Reply #17 on:** March 18, 2018, 07:50:28 PM »

Quote from: emonier on March 18, 2018, 06:05:04 PM

Quote from: Jeremystair on March 16, 2018, 12:33:37 PM
At Nationals I double sleeved my cards and the inside sleeve had a sticker on it and none of the judges who checked in my decks had a problem with it.

Great idea!

Did you use a thin, clear sleeve (the kind you get inside of packs) for the inner sleeve?

It seems like that would fit better inside the main sleeve.

Thanks,

E

P.S. Watchman: will this be legal at your tournament next Sat?

Yes I use specific double sleeve sleeves they're a real tight fit. You can get them off Amazon.

NathanW · « **Reply #18 on:** March 18, 2018, 11:16:31 PM »

Quote from: Jeremystair on March 18, 2018, 07:50:28 PM

Quote from: emonier on March 18, 2018, 06:05:04 PM
Quote from: Jeremystair on March 16, 2018, 12:33:37 PM
At Nationals I double sleeved my cards and the inside sleeve had a sticker on it and none of the judges who checked in my decks had a problem with it.

Great idea!

Did you use a thin, clear sleeve (the kind you get inside of packs) for the inner sleeve?

It seems like that would fit better inside the main sleeve.

Thanks,

E

P.S. Watchman: will this be legal at your tournament next Sat?

Yes I use specific double sleeve sleeves they're a real tight fit. You can get them off Amazon.

I assume the tight fit changes based on whether the card is the wider or thinner variety

Isildur · « **Reply #19 on:** March 19, 2018, 01:11:36 AM »

Quote from: EmJayBee83 on March 16, 2018, 09:59:53 AM

Quote from: emonier on March 16, 2018, 09:53:24 AM
I have been putting a little sticker on the front of the card with an "R" on it, but I was told in the last tournament that this was illegal (even though you can't see the sticker when they are face down).
What was the the reason behind the ruling that it was illegal?

I'm assuming he put the sticker on the outside of the clear part of the sleeve.

When you pile shuffle you can in "theory" feel the clear part of the sleeve and tell which ones have stickers and which ones don't.

Isildur · « **Reply #20 on:** March 19, 2018, 01:12:56 AM »

Quote from: Watchman492 on March 16, 2018, 11:38:18 AM

Or why not just have a list of the cards in your reserve as required by the rules and put all cards back into the appropriate place after the game ends? I know what cards are in my reserve and what aren’t.

That'd be too easy

EmJayBee83 · « **Reply #21 on:** March 19, 2018, 09:35:29 AM »

Quote from: Isildur on March 19, 2018, 01:11:36 AM

Quote from: EmJayBee83 on March 16, 2018, 09:59:53 AM
Quote from: emonier on March 16, 2018, 09:53:24 AM
I have been putting a little sticker on the front of the card with an "R" on it, but I was told in the last tournament that this was illegal (even though you can't see the sticker when they are face down).
What was the the reason behind the ruling that it was illegal?
I'm assuming he put the sticker on the outside of the clear part of the sleeve.

Yeah, I understood that from the follow-on discussion. In my defense, however, that was not what emonier asked about, he asked about putting a sticker on "the front of the card" not on the front of the sleeve. That--putting a sticker on a card--should be totally allowed, provided the sticker does not confer an in game advantage (like covering a stat or a key word in an SA).

Sadness · « **Reply #22 on:** March 19, 2018, 12:45:10 PM »

This is kinda a question and not meant to anger anyone. I agree with the making a list to what cards are in your reserve pile. Instead of putting a sticker on the card sleeve, could you choose a different color card sleeve instead as a way to tell your deck apart from your reserve pile or would that be considered a no-no?

Crashfach2002 · « **Reply #23 on:** March 19, 2018, 12:46:56 PM »

Quote from: Sadness on March 19, 2018, 12:45:10 PM

This is kinda a question and not meant to anger anyone. I agree with the making a list to what cards are in your reserve pile. Instead of putting a sticker on the card sleeve, could you choose a different color card sleeve instead as a way to tell your deck apart from your reserve pile or would that be considered a no-no?

If you did this they would be considered marked and illegal. The reason why is because some of the cards with reserve access makes you shuffle. So shuffling a card with a different sleeves makes it marked.

NathanW · « **Reply #24 on:** March 19, 2018, 12:47:06 PM »

Quote from: Sadness on March 19, 2018, 12:45:10 PM

This is kinda a question and not meant to anger anyone. I agree with the making a list to what cards are in your reserve pile. Instead of putting a sticker on the card sleeve, could you choose a different color card sleeve instead as a way to tell your deck apart from your reserve pile or would that be considered a no-no?

you could easily spot the cards in your deck with a different color sleeve.

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