Author Topic: Falling Away or Guardian? (Read 40324 times)

Claude · « **on:** August 15, 2008, 04:43:51 AM »

If you were to choose which one to put in your deck, would you choose Falling Away or Guardian?regardless of what type of deck it is

TimMierz · « **Reply #1 on:** August 15, 2008, 08:59:11 AM »

Usually I prefer Falling Away, largely for getting more out of the Lost Souls card.

TheMarti · « **Reply #2 on:** August 15, 2008, 10:03:43 AM »

I agree, especially in 2p. The decision would be harder in multi, but I still think I would do FA instead.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #3 on:** August 15, 2008, 10:20:36 AM »

I think almost everyone would say FA.

soul seeker · « **Reply #4 on:** August 15, 2008, 10:34:30 AM »

Not necessarily, bubbleman (even though I'm about to prove you are right). People build differently. However, in this case, there are two cards (i.e. lampstand & guardian) that can do the same thing whereas nothing can replicate Falling Away. My ultimate choice: Lampstand....trumps both. (Fact: Falling Away sees more playing time in my decks.)

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #5 on:** August 15, 2008, 10:39:50 AM »

First of all, I said almost everyone. Second, as nice as LotS may be, it still takes up an artifact slot.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #6 on:** August 15, 2008, 10:51:50 AM »

Temple it.

FA can't be replicated and therefore is the better card in my opinion.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #7 on:** August 15, 2008, 11:18:04 AM »

You can't put LotS in a temple; it's a temple item, not a temple artifact. And even if you could, you will probably want to use FA or Burial some time during the game.

TimMierz · « **Reply #8 on:** August 15, 2008, 11:21:17 AM »

Lampstand is an artifact. It is a temple item. That makes it a temple artifact. If you want more proof, the REG list of temple artifacts:
Altar of Burnt Offering, Altar of Incense, Ark of the Covenant, Book of the Covenant, Book of the Law, Holy of Holies, Lampstand of the Sanctuary, Pot of Manna, Table of Showbread, Tables of the Law, Temple Veil, The Bronze Laver, The Silver Trumpets, Windows of Narrow Light

soul seeker · « **Reply #9 on:** August 15, 2008, 11:25:40 AM »

I thought "temple veil" couldn't go in the temples because it was found in herod's temple. at least, that is what I was told.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #10 on:** August 15, 2008, 11:28:00 AM »

That got changed. Don't ask why.

TimMierz · « **Reply #11 on:** August 15, 2008, 11:28:05 AM »

While the card and verse depict Herod's Temple's veil, there was an equivalent veil in OT temples.

soul seeker · « **Reply #12 on:** August 15, 2008, 11:32:15 AM »

That's what I argued in a tournament and got shot down...don't get me wrong, I'm glad it got changed back. I think it is only right to have the temple veil in the temple.

christian_fong · « **Reply #13 on:** August 15, 2008, 11:40:13 AM »

If ur using speed i would say falling away, but for other deck types...... i might still use FA

MichaelHue · « **Reply #14 on:** August 15, 2008, 12:15:31 PM »

Quote from: TimMierz on August 15, 2008, 11:21:17 AM

Lampstand is an artifact. It is a temple item. That makes it a temple artifact. If you want more proof, the REG list of temple artifacts:
Altar of Burnt Offering, Altar of Incense, Ark of the Covenant, Book of the Covenant, Book of the Law, Holy of Holies, Lampstand of the Sanctuary, Pot of Manna, Table of Showbread, Tables of the Law, Temple Veil, The Bronze Laver, The Silver Trumpets, Windows of Narrow Light

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Altar of Burnt Offering, Altar of Incense, Ark of the Covenant, Book of the Covenant, Book of the Law, Holy of Holies, Lampstand of the Sanctuary, Pot of Manna, Table of Showbread, Tables of the Law, Temple Veil, The Bronze Laver, The Silver Trumpets, Windows of Narrow Light

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Table of Showbread, Tables of the Law, Temple Veil, The Bronze Laver, The Silver Trumpets, Windows of Narrow Light

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The Bronze Laver, The Silver Trumpets, Windows of Narrow Light

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The Silver Trumpets, Windows of Narrow Light

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Windows of Narrow Light

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Windows of Narrow Light
Type: Artifact • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Protect your Heroes with no special ability from capture, conversion and removal from the game. • Identifiers: OT, Temple Item • Verse: I Kings 6:4 • Availability: Promotional cards (2008 Local Tournament)

new Promo ^_^ I hadn't seen that one before.

Claude · « **Reply #15 on:** August 15, 2008, 12:18:47 PM »

Hmm true.. Although GOYS has some perks like discarding confusion of mind, especially in an enhancementless deck, your pretty much right bout FA. thanks

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #16 on:** August 15, 2008, 12:26:51 PM »

Although... if you have a slower offense... GoyS's works very well.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #17 on:** August 15, 2008, 12:56:46 PM »

Quote from: TimMierz on August 15, 2008, 11:21:17 AM

Altar of Burnt Offering, Altar of Incense, Ark of the Covenant, Book of the Covenant, Book of the Law, Holy of Holies, Lampstand of the Sanctuary, Pot of Manna, Table of Showbread, Tables of the Law, Temple Veil, The Bronze Laver, The Silver Trumpets, Windows of Narrow Light

What about Asherah Pole? I'm almost positive that's a temple artifact, because of the special ability on Glory of the Lord.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #18 on:** August 15, 2008, 12:57:49 PM »

Quote from: BubbleMan on August 15, 2008, 12:56:46 PM

Quote from: TimMierz on August 15, 2008, 11:21:17 AM
Altar of Burnt Offering, Altar of Incense, Ark of the Covenant, Book of the Covenant, Book of the Law, Holy of Holies, Lampstand of the Sanctuary, Pot of Manna, Table of Showbread, Tables of the Law, Temple Veil, The Bronze Laver, The Silver Trumpets, Windows of Narrow Light
What about Asherah Pole? I'm almost positive that's a temple artifact, because of the special ability on Glory of the Lord.

I agree this is confusing but... the REG entry has an additional section that says something like "some arts have been found in the temple, but are not considered temple arts." A Pole is included in that list.

WHY? Idk, but Glory of the Lord is bound to confuse many people now.

RedemptionAggie · « **Reply #19 on:** August 15, 2008, 12:59:50 PM »

A Pole isn't a Temple art because it wasn't a "permanent" fixture in the temple, I believe.

DaClock · « **Reply #20 on:** August 15, 2008, 01:55:19 PM »

I would use GoyS 100% over Falling Away.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #21 on:** August 15, 2008, 04:02:03 PM »

Quote from: RedemptionAggie on August 15, 2008, 12:59:50 PM

A Pole isn't a Temple art because it wasn't a "permanent" fixture in the temple, I believe.

Is any temple artifact a "permanent fixture"? Ark of the Covenant, Lampstand of the Sanctuary, Tables of the Law; why is AP any different?

TimMierz · « **Reply #22 on:** August 15, 2008, 04:03:34 PM »

Quote from: BubbleMan on August 15, 2008, 04:02:03 PM

Is any temple artifact a "permanent fixture"? Ark of the Covenant, Lampstand of the Sanctuary, Tables of the Law; why is AP any different?

Why wouldn't those be permanent inhabitants of the temple?

And Ben, why Guardian over Falling Away?

DaClock · « **Reply #23 on:** August 15, 2008, 04:15:38 PM »

As I was typing out a response to why I use Guardian over FA, I realized that it doesn't make logical sense. However, in my experience having a card to safe-guard my score has been better than having a card that can take away from my opponents.

Also, Guardian can't be stopped (except by Confusion or HPP). It can be useless, if FA is played before it, but nothing stops me from playing it.

Falling Away is stopped by Guardian and Lampstand and your opponent not having LS rescued.

TimMierz · « **Reply #24 on:** August 15, 2008, 04:18:21 PM »

What's the difference between getting to play a useless card and not getting to play a card? I can only think of two things: Presented before the Lord and the Speed Bump LS. Sometimes it can be beneficial to hold useless cards in your hand, like against Simeon or other hand discarders.

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