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WoP
Phil Out
Herod's Temple

Golgotha
Herod's Dung
CP
Ashdod
Naz
Jericho
Kir

Writ
BShroud
HHI Dariu's Decree

CM
SoG
Grapes
AotL

Cov w/ Death
Unknown Nation

Angel of Warning txp
Mike AW
TSA wa
Gabe wa

Gathering
Striking Herod
Brass Serpent

Egyptian Magician
KoT wa
Archelaus
Herod Agrippa II
Herod Phillip II
Salome
Herodias
Herod the Great

Herod's Treachery
Lurking

Ruthless
Moses kills Egyptian
Mask of Fear
Escape to Egypt
Swift Horses
Failed Objective
Wonders Forgotten

12FG
Garrison
Goliath
Armorbearer
Fallen Warrior
Lot's Wife
The Woman of Thebez
Gib Delegates

Phil Chariots
JiP
Overwhelmed
Wrath
Gib Trickery
Devourer
Bringing Fear
Hunger
Stones of Thebez

Set was released the day of when this deck was played. King Amon + Scattered if I Gather Michael and attack with him. I could just attack with a single Michael. I also wait till end game so I see your defense for the most part. So no, a King Amon + Scattered recursion would not stop this, as I would just solo RA and kill King Amon. We could do "what if's" but that never works.

Interesting but can you really win games with the offense as it is? You have one battle winner and a nice band. The defense looks solid, but I think it will have a bad matchup against power offenses.  I would add Simon the Magician and High Priest Caiaphas.

Set was released the day of when this deck was played. King Amon + Scattered if I Gather Michael and attack with him. I could just attack with a single Michael. I also wait till end game so I see your defense for the most part. So no, a King Amon + Scattered recursion would not stop this, as I would just solo RA and kill King Amon. We could do "what if's" but that never works.

This is not valid... you are assuming their only battle winner is Scattered

I going to flat out say that offense is trash I mean all they have to do is capture you dudes or CM at the right time and you are toast.

I would consider using Chamber so that your offense has some staying power.

I think this deck would do fine vs. a deck with only a few ECs, but any sizable defense would be hard to break through. I wouldn't worry too much about capture, because few people play with cards that capture Angels aside from Go into Captivity.

You will win 0 games against anyone who is competent at small defenses or deck building (or, forbid it, they can do both). That offense is almost completely useless. A single DD almost completely cripples it.

Things that beat you:
Beheaded
DD
Scattered
Any BW after you play SH
Any female + BW
Any demon + BW

You will win 0 games against anyone who is competent at small defenses or deck building (or, forbid it, they can do both). That offense is almost completely useless. A single DD almost completely cripples it.

Things that beat you:
Beheaded
DD
Scattered
Any BW after you play SH
Any female + BW
Any demon + BW

I will gladly play you at Nationals. Once again, I said the offense needed work and that it had Job as back up. The point is to hold the opponent off the entire game and then I attack, by then they do not have much left, or have discarded it for offensive cards in their hand.
Beheaded- Not widely used, I have a healing card too
DD- They can only get one hero
Scattered- I do not have to band, and they will not be playing both Behead/Scattered.
ANy BW after SH- 99% of the time it is only Michael, usually unless you name EVERYTHING that counters this, which you named a few things, then Mike is gathered to TSA and it's for sure.
Any female + BW- They would have to be able to stop Mike to TSA
Any demon + BW- ^

Michael is not gathered till late game, if you do have a DD then that's fine, I save my Brass Serpent. You would have to save CM for him, but I will add Chamber. If they play Beheaded then evil gold does not really have a lot that's CBN unless they play with an Egyptian site, I am not worried about Wonders, but Emperors would hurt. I also said earlier that this deck was used PRE- I/J.

This implies the Deck is still good.

Of course it is, what are you talking about?
Alex- if your comments are going to be almost to the point of rude, or provide no positive feedback or criticism, but merely, if I play this then you lose, with no suggestions on adding or changing, then stop wasting my time.
I admit, the offense is not built to beat a defense heavy deck, but as of right now a gathered Michael to TSA, sadly, beats majority of T1 defenses, no matter what people might think.

When Foreign wives is the most common evil character in the world heading to nats, I would be worried a lot about female + any BW.

Here's a short list of what I could see you losing to (losing 3-2 is a loss fwiw, so while you are going to complain not everything here is a BW, time is a huge factor no matter how much you say it isn't, and i know you will, because you've said that before):

Death of Unrighteous
Haman's Plot
Stone of Thebez + Gib Trick
Gomer to Horses to BW
Lot's Wife to Horses to BW
Previously mentioned Scattered
Previously mentioned Beheaded
Anything playing Gates of Samaria
Babylonian + Drawn Sword
That underdeck a hero TC EE from starter deck


I'm not even thinking hard. That's my point. It's incredibly easy when playing you A. choreograph the deck style you are against and realize what to keep in hand and B. stop your attack with almost anything that's even remotely played.

What happens when I underdeck a gather Mike from a TC enhancement? That's not an uncommon scenario.


I don't get why you think I'm being ridiculous calling your deck out when everyone else posting is in some way agreeing with me. Consensus isn't truth but it helps.

Other points:

Nazareth hurts you bad.
The Deck isn't good anymore.
Like you said, the deck folds to real defense, so that seems like a bad play.
Covenant of Death + DD in the same deck is another probably auto-win



And let's not even talk about what happens if someone were somehow randomly discard SH or AOTL.

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edit: Alex, this post has some good suggestions.  Let's keep the discussion civil

Just wanted to point out that Stone of Thebez and Beheaded (two cards mentioned in prior posts) wouldn't do anything except add numbers to ECs in battle against an offense of angels.