Author Topic: The Deck (Read 12085 times)

Warrior_Monk · « **on:** August 15, 2012, 10:39:20 AM »

I originally thought RDT would post it, since he placed, but it's been a couple days, so he's either still working on a game-by-game summery, or isn't going to post it. There's been a lot of talk about The Deck, so I thought I'd post my version so we could actually have something to refer to. The 51 card version had Birth Foretold in it.

Cards in deck: 50
Lost Souls: 8
   Lost Soul (*/4)
   Lost Soul (anti-burial)
   Lost Soul (Female Only)
   Lost Soul (hopper)
   Lost Soul (N.T. only)
   Lost Soul (revealer)
   Lost Soul (Thorns)
   Lost Soul (Wanderer)

Lamb Dominants: 5
   Angel of the Lord
   Grapes of Wrath
   Guardian Of Your Souls
   New Jerusalem
   Son of God

Grim Reaper Dominants: 2
   Falling Away
   Mayhem

Fortresses: 1
   Obadiah's Caves

Artifacts: 3
   Darius' Decree
   Samaritan Water Jar
   Urim and Thummim

White Covenant Cards: 1
   Captured Ark (Crimson)

Multi-Color Heroes: 4
   Aaron (Green/Teal)
   Abiathar (Teal)
   Daniel (Green/White)
   Samuel (Gold/Green)

Silver Heroes: 4
   Captain of the Host
   Michael
   Seraph
   The Angel Under the Oak

Gold Heroes: 3
   Moses
   Simeon
   The Woman at the Well

Green Heroes: 2
   David
   Isaiah

Blue Heroes: 1
   Jacob

Multi-Color Hero Enhancements: 6
   First Fruits
   Isaiah's Call (Green/Silver)
   Live Coal (Green/Silver)
   Pentecost
   Wheel Within a Wheel (Green/Silver)
   Zadok Anoints Solomon (Teal)

Silver Hero Enhancements: 1
   Striking Herod

Gold Hero Enhancements: 1
   Samuel's Edict

Green Hero Enhancements: 1
   Two Bears

Gray Evil Characters: 2
   Emperor Vitellius
   Sabbath Breaker

Brown Evil Characters: 2
   King Saul
   Uzzah

Gold Evil Characters: 1
Pharaoh's Cupbearer

Gray Evil Enhancements: 1
   Balaam's Disobedience

Brown Evil Enhancements: 1
   Haman's Plot

The main uniqueness in this version is the use of Thorns lost soul, whereas other variations used Hormah, Liner, and Burial to help bolster the really bad defense.

Captain Falcon · « **Reply #1 on:** August 15, 2012, 11:02:59 AM »

I like it, the offense is well put together. No writ? That might have helped a bit.

jbeers285 · « **Reply #2 on:** August 15, 2012, 11:05:25 AM »

Or slowed you down one card to hurt a bit

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #3 on:** August 15, 2012, 11:06:39 AM »

Banding and capture protection are too rampant. I needed another artifact and considered Writ, but ended up with Darius' Decree.

Captain Falcon · « **Reply #4 on:** August 15, 2012, 11:18:33 AM »

I didn't find capture protection too much of a problem to be honest. Did you find yourself using DD alot?

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #5 on:** August 15, 2012, 11:22:00 AM »

Quote from: TH3 UNF0RG1V4BL3 on August 15, 2012, 11:18:33 AM

I didn't find capture protection too much of a problem to be honest. Did you find yourself using DD alot?

LOL, no. I used it once (probably won me the game) and stalled with it for awhile. It was primarily just in there for Uzzah fodder though.

Captain Falcon · « **Reply #6 on:** August 15, 2012, 11:34:16 AM »

Ok, I feel you. How was your record at Nats? Whose minor two or three changes between you and prolijar proved to be better?

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #7 on:** August 15, 2012, 11:59:19 AM »

Quote from: TH3 UNF0RG1V4BL3 on August 15, 2012, 11:34:16 AM

Ok, I feel you. How was your record at Nats? Whose minor two or three changes between you and prolijar proved to be better?

I went 6-4 with every one of my losses being 4-5--none of which did I get to play both SoG and NJ. I felt that Thorns was an awesome add, and it trolled a Just a Hireling and a Suicidal Swine Stampede (almost got a DoU played while it was out too), as well as stopped a few Hormahs.

Olijar likes his Abednego.

Captain Falcon · « **Reply #8 on:** August 15, 2012, 12:11:07 PM »

Oh, that seems pretty legit if you lost all your games 4-5 and didn't get to play SoG NJ. The thorns soul would have trolled my deck; I got both horman and Just a Hireling XD

Chris · « **Reply #9 on:** August 15, 2012, 12:35:20 PM »

Quote from: Westy on August 15, 2012, 11:59:19 AM

Quote from: TH3 UNF0RG1V4BL3 on August 15, 2012, 11:34:16 AM
Ok, I feel you. How was your record at Nats? Whose minor two or three changes between you and prolijar proved to be better?
I went 6-4 with every one of my losses being 4-5--none of which did I get to play both SoG and NJ. I felt that Thorns was an awesome add, and it trolled a Just a Hireling and a Suicidal Swine Stampede (almost got a DoU played while it was out too), as well as stopped a few Hormahs.

Olijar likes his Abednego.

Do you think the issue was it wasn't fast enough then, or were there other issues there?

Captain Falcon · « **Reply #10 on:** August 15, 2012, 12:38:26 PM »

I would probably say it wasn't fast enough. Looking at the deck again, it's fast, but not blazing fast.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #11 on:** August 15, 2012, 12:41:29 PM »

Quote from: Chris on August 15, 2012, 12:35:20 PM

Quote from: Westy on August 15, 2012, 11:59:19 AM
Quote from: TH3 UNF0RG1V4BL3 on August 15, 2012, 11:34:16 AM
Ok, I feel you. How was your record at Nats? Whose minor two or three changes between you and prolijar proved to be better?
I went 6-4 with every one of my losses being 4-5--none of which did I get to play both SoG and NJ. I felt that Thorns was an awesome add, and it trolled a Just a Hireling and a Suicidal Swine Stampede (almost got a DoU played while it was out too), as well as stopped a few Hormahs.

Olijar likes his Abednego.

Do you think the issue was it wasn't fast enough then, or were there other issues there?

Well, I was first turn confusion'd twice. Draw screwed once (3 cards left in the deck), and well, against Pol there really wasn't anything I could do. A timely Mayhem ensured his victory, but I guess you could say it wasn't fast enough against him.

Quote from: TH3 UNF0RG1V4BL3 on August 15, 2012, 12:38:26 PM

I would probably say it wasn't fast enough. Looking at the deck again, it's fast, but not blazing fast.

It's speed comes primarily from searching. You can get whatever heroes you need out with Zadok, Call, Wheel, AutO, etc. And then start drawing like crazy without fear of RBD because of Live Coal and Captured Ark. It's really quite fast.

Captain Falcon · « **Reply #12 on:** August 15, 2012, 12:45:28 PM »

You're right. Getting first turn confusion'd will always screw things up. I can understand that.

Drrek · « **Reply #13 on:** August 15, 2012, 12:53:47 PM »

You shouldn't count your game against me as a loss in my opinion, everything that happened in that game was crazy.

I would put Gabriel in over Michael, because the only thing you are getting over Gabe with Michael is a CBN striking Herod (well yes and 2 offense, but with as big a band as you use with those 2, I don't think it should be necessary), while you can get rid of their plot with Gabriel.

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #14 on:** August 15, 2012, 05:42:04 PM »

Live Coal is CBN on Michael as well.

You have no idea how usefull that card is.

Quote from: Westy on August 15, 2012, 10:39:20 AM

I originally thought RDT would post it, since he placed, but it's been a couple days, so he's either still working on a game-by-game summery, or isn't going to post it. There's been a lot of talk about The Deck, so I thought I'd post my version so we could actually have something to refer to. The 51 card version had Birth Foretold in it.

Don't worry - James and I are working together to decide exactly how we want to post our TEAMS decks, and T12P decks - Needless to say they will have a lot of game-play analysis, as well as deck-building choices - Including a discussion on why what you have posted above, and what everyone is referring too as 'The Deck', isn't actually what James and I played. The main difference being that James and I were playing what we call AutO^2 decks - While everyone else who played 'The Deck' was playing a Samuel variant that looked similar to James' and my deck.

Drrek · « **Reply #15 on:** August 15, 2012, 05:55:11 PM »

Quote from: Red Dragon Thorn on August 15, 2012, 05:42:04 PM

Live Coal is CBN on Michael as well.

You have no idea how usefull that card is.

I do know how useful it is, I played the deck as well you know.

I still think against other speed decks that Gabe would be better (since you aren't going to have much that you are able to interrupt anyway, leaving Live Coal more for something like RBD), but I will grant you when you go against an actual defense, Michael is better.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #16 on:** August 15, 2012, 06:04:19 PM »

I think Mike is probably better mostly due to CBN Live Coal (that's incredibly useful against real defenses - I understand the Seraph w/ Live Coal add btw John). Mike also can troll solo RA with Striking Herod - invaluable against a deck with defense if you know they don't have Martyr, which you probably do, seeing that UT in the deck.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #17 on:** August 15, 2012, 06:14:18 PM »

Quote from: Red Dragon Thorn on August 15, 2012, 05:42:04 PM

Quote from: Westy on August 15, 2012, 10:39:20 AM
I originally thought RDT would post it, since he placed, but it's been a couple days, so he's either still working on a game-by-game summery, or isn't going to post it. There's been a lot of talk about The Deck, so I thought I'd post my version so we could actually have something to refer to. The 51 card version had Birth Foretold in it.

Don't worry - James and I are working together to decide exactly how we want to post our TEAMS decks, and T12P decks - Needless to say they will have a lot of game-play analysis, as well as deck-building choices - Including a discussion on why what you have posted above, and what everyone is referring too as 'The Deck', isn't actually what James and I played. The main difference being that James and I were playing what we call AutO^2 decks - While everyone else who played 'The Deck' was playing a Samuel variant that looked similar to James' and my deck.

I rescued with Samuel ~three times at nats. They may have Samuel in it, but it is by no means a Samuel deck. The vast majority of rescues were Jacob/Simeon to AutO --> Moses in the early game, and finally the big Daniel band late game. It's still built around the same concept and will probably be less than 10 cards different.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #18 on:** August 15, 2012, 06:18:19 PM »

Quote from: Westy on August 15, 2012, 06:14:18 PM

Quote from: Red Dragon Thorn on August 15, 2012, 05:42:04 PM
Quote from: Westy on August 15, 2012, 10:39:20 AM
I originally thought RDT would post it, since he placed, but it's been a couple days, so he's either still working on a game-by-game summery, or isn't going to post it. There's been a lot of talk about The Deck, so I thought I'd post my version so we could actually have something to refer to. The 51 card version had Birth Foretold in it.

Don't worry - James and I are working together to decide exactly how we want to post our TEAMS decks, and T12P decks - Needless to say they will have a lot of game-play analysis, as well as deck-building choices - Including a discussion on why what you have posted above, and what everyone is referring too as 'The Deck', isn't actually what James and I played. The main difference being that James and I were playing what we call AutO^2 decks - While everyone else who played 'The Deck' was playing a Samuel variant that looked similar to James' and my deck.
I rescued with Samuel ~three times at nats. They may have Samuel in it, but it is by no means a Samuel deck. The vast majority of rescues were Jacob/Simeon to AutO --> Moses in the early game, and finally the big Daniel band late game. It's still built around the same concept and will probably be less than 10 cards different.

After having played the deck, I agree with John that Samuel actually hurts the deck - he takes up 3-5 card slots and adds next to nothing to the deck because I virtually always want to rescue with someone else.

Another issue with this deck I realized after the fact is that we should have been running Seraph AND Seraph with a Live Coal - the search function of Seraph with a Live Coal is awesome to get out that Isaiah and/or Live Coal.

The most problematic issue however probably concerns the defense - as in there isn't one. In retrospect, I 100% believe I should have ran a 56 card version with more substantial defense. The offense will break through, but I had so many issues with not being able to wait out bad draws and soul drought.

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #19 on:** August 15, 2012, 06:22:51 PM »

Quote from: Westy on August 15, 2012, 06:14:18 PM

Quote from: Red Dragon Thorn on August 15, 2012, 05:42:04 PM
Quote from: Westy on August 15, 2012, 10:39:20 AM
I originally thought RDT would post it, since he placed, but it's been a couple days, so he's either still working on a game-by-game summery, or isn't going to post it. There's been a lot of talk about The Deck, so I thought I'd post my version so we could actually have something to refer to. The 51 card version had Birth Foretold in it.

Don't worry - James and I are working together to decide exactly how we want to post our TEAMS decks, and T12P decks - Needless to say they will have a lot of game-play analysis, as well as deck-building choices - Including a discussion on why what you have posted above, and what everyone is referring too as 'The Deck', isn't actually what James and I played. The main difference being that James and I were playing what we call AutO^2 decks - While everyone else who played 'The Deck' was playing a Samuel variant that looked similar to James' and my deck.
I rescued with Samuel ~three times at nats. They may have Samuel in it, but it is by no means a Samuel deck. The vast majority of rescues were Jacob/Simeon to AutO --> Moses in the early game, and finally the big Daniel band late game. It's still built around the same concept and will probably be less than 10 cards different.

Samuel + Something, or 2 somethings to search for, plus potentially Sam's Edict is still 3-4, possibly more cards that are simply inefficient in the context of what the deck is attempting to accomplish.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #20 on:** August 15, 2012, 06:33:52 PM »

This is a frivolous semantics argument. Samuel may indeed hurt the deck. I've been saying it'd be the first cards I'd drop, I just never got around to trying it out before nats, so I left them in. To draw a line between the two because of Samuel seems silly to me. Same concept, but whatever.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #21 on:** August 15, 2012, 06:34:50 PM »

Quote from: Westy on August 15, 2012, 06:33:52 PM

This is a frivolous semantics argument. Samuel may indeed hurt the deck. I've been saying it'd be the first cards I'd drop, I just never got around to trying it out before nats, so I left them in. To draw a line between the two because of Samuel seems silly to me. Same concept, but whatever.

I definitely agree here - it's the same deck pretty much.

Did you ever think about adding Consuming Fire?

New Raven BR · « **Reply #22 on:** August 15, 2012, 06:59:32 PM »

so this is "The Deck".
after looking it over, it looks VERY weak. how in the WORLD did this deck ever win nationals? i see very few battle winners and this deck seems like a piece of cake to tear apart in game

Red Wing · « **Reply #23 on:** August 15, 2012, 07:03:43 PM »

Quote from: New Raven BR on August 15, 2012, 06:59:32 PM

so this is "The Deck".
after looking it over, it looks VERY weak. how in the WORLD did this deck ever win nationals? i see very few battle winners and this deck seems like a piece of cake to tear apart in game

This deck didn't win Nats. This one did:

http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/complete-decks/2012-nationals-t1-2p-1st-place-deck/

Very many battle winners aren't needed.

Chris · « **Reply #24 on:** August 15, 2012, 07:04:31 PM »

Quote from: New Raven BR on August 15, 2012, 06:59:32 PM

so this is "The Deck".
after looking it over, it looks VERY weak. how in the WORLD did this deck ever win nationals? i see very few battle winners and this deck seems like a piece of cake to tear apart in game

Keeping in mind it didn't win, but took second (among other places), it's very strong, as evidenced by the fact that it took five out of the ten top spots. In won because it works, even though it looks like it shouldn't, which is the beauty of spread offenses.

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